Goliath and Raging Bull

Here are my comparisons:

Raging Bull has a slightly steeper first drop than Goliath. Especially in the back seat you are totally whipped over the top and out of your seat all the way down. Goliath's first drop is very good as well but lacks steepness.

People moan about RB's trim on the third hill but, again, if you are in the back seat, you still get a good dose of air coming off the hill. Meanwhile that nice camel back on Goliath before the mid-course is crazy air as well. I must have been out of my seat the whole time as the train traversed over it.

Mid course - While Raging Bull's MCBR lightly touches the train, Goliath nearly brings their trains to a crawl.

Both coasters have great endings but Goliath is a notch above RB in the fact that i has that insane "carousel curve" which people have reported having near gray outs on.

But overall, I prefer Raging Bull over Goliath.

I know it was briefly mentioned but I think the twisted layout of RB is much better than the straight out and back of Apollo's Chariot. Don't get me wrong I do like Apollo, it does have some great drops, but I like to have a variety of turns and helices placed in my rides.

X Factor

I would have to agree with the Bull lovers on this one, Goliath just wasnt the religious experience that a backseat Bull ride is.

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Dave

Beware of Kiddie Coasters

Is nitro's first drop in the back as good as Raging Bulls's in the back. I only ridden nitro in the back and it was extreme. I was floating for like 3-4 seconds.

rollergator said:

....I am SURE that others will disagree....and now, the others...;)

I was *expecting* some disagreement, but man, I am blown away, the voting is NEAR unanimous, LOL. Why do I suddenly feel like a Nader voter..."My mileage varied, who do I blame" (TM).

Guess next time up North, I owe Bull (and Timbers) another visit....now if I could just get SF to put some decent trains on Bull...*ducks head*...;)
*** This post was edited by rollergator 3/25/2003 9:51:06 PM ***

And now for somethign totally random......

Bill I just wanna take this chance to mention that my Spartans beat the pants off of your Gators

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And now for somethign totally random......

Bill I just wanna take this chance to mention that my Spartans beat the pants off of your Gators

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It's like a Whirlwind inside of my head!

I have had the privilege of riding both and think both are great coasters i would give the edge to Raging Bull in regards to air time, you cant beat the back of Raging Bull.

Both are great rides but RB is the better overall ride IMHO.

*flinging stuff at gator's head*

Count me in with the "religious experience" Raging Bull riders. The first drop is mind-blowing. It truly feels like you've been pushed off the top of a cliff. Hard. Goliath's was good, but it just wasn't the same experience. It just didn't feel as steep, or out-of-control. How each other's layouts (and trains) compare after the first drop, well, that's another topic. But as for the more air-filled first drop, it's definitely the Bull.

They did it TWICE Brent, once in the first half, and again in the second....maybe that's why you mentioned it twice....;)

Gators never did recover from the whooping MSU put on us in the Title game....since then, a 2-3 NCAA tourney record....getting out-muscled consistently in March...

But, now that your name HAS come up, I'm reminded of WHO to blame for the variance of my mileage on Bull....:)

Does any one else dislike that little dip B&M puts at the top of their hill? Everyone here's going on about how it gives the first drop on Bull such major airtime, but, for me, that airtime doesn't make up for the loss of the "cresting" feeling (for lack of a better word) I get on, say, Magun XL-200 or the American Eagle.

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I prefer the whipping feeling you get on RB as opposed to the crest on Nitro. Nitro's first drop has little if any air in the back unlike RB.

And dang I double posted, I really hate it when people do that. But since you mentioned it Bill I'll have to leave it.

I am not sure its me who had your mileage vary although I still love Bull in the back even with the trims but they do ruin the ride IMO. It has the potential to be so much more. It is right there with Nitro around 6 on my top ten list though. Although I am going to BGW, PKD, and SFA in two weeks, so who knows what may change. ;)

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*** This post was edited by MagnumForce 3/25/2003 10:16:08 PM ***

I've ridden bull without the MCBR and the final trims, and it makes the ride significantly better. Bull with no trims at all (including going into the third hill) would easily be a top ten coaster, no questions asked.

I have been to GAM twice and rode "Da Bull" probably 10 time and have never rode when the figure eight trims hit. Do they hit often?
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KrazyKoaster said:
Has anyone ever ridden Bull without the trims? Can't wait to do it again in the spring.

Do you know they will be off this Spring? Or is it some special event?

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I much prefer Raging Bull over Goliath. The first drops are about equal but the rest of the ride is far superior on RB, especially in the back row. Goliath is my lowest rated hypercoaster, Raging Bull is in my top ten. However, I much prefer AC, Nitro, MF, SroS (SFA), and SRoS (SFNE) over either. Those are my #5 to #1 coaster. If you want a truly great hyper then ride either SRoS!

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I can't comment on RB but the back seat of Goliath is relatively mild. I think In general with the exception of the Helix it is not that intense. The Helix is pure heaven but I have no height or speed issues, and everything besides the helix don't pull a whole lot of g's or negative g's. You float all the way down the first drop, but not intense airtime.

I also haven't rode Goliath, but I can't imagine a first drop better than Bull's. The feeling of just getting tossed over that hill is awesome. And for whoever asked about the trims, the midcourse and helix brakes will vary most the time. The colder it is the less trims there usually are, but the trim on the 3rd hill will always hit but it doesn't hurt the ride since you still get awesome airtime on that hill.

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I have only ridden Goliath, and I would voluntarily give it to Raging Bull. While it does look tame, the Bull is much longer in track length and seems to have more to it than Goliath's drop, tunnel, hill, and helix setup. I'm not saying Goliath is a bad ride, it has to be one of the most if not THE most intense hypercoaster in the world, but it did not live up to my expectations the first time I rode it.

The first drop did not feel very 255' to me, and it did not give me anything but a little bit of air, but it was a LONG way down, and it still gives you a lurching effect in the stomach. So it is definetely above average.

Both of my rides on Bull were in Row 9, and both left me pretty disappointed. Yes, the first drop is great (better than Goliath's in my opinion, to answer your question), but after that, "calf" is a better descriptive word than "bull."

Goliath, on the other hand, is shorter, but extremely intense. Yes, you come to a near stop at the midcourse, but once you get out of the helix (if you can survive it without blacking out, that is), you'll understand the heavy brakes. Compare that to RB's forceless figure-eight finale, and I'll pick Goliath as the favored coaster all-around.

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- Chris

I put the "D" in DDR.

I would say "steer" woudl be more appropriate.

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