Goliath and Raging Bull

Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:00 PM
For those of you who have ridden both Raging Bull at SFGAm and Goliath at MM , I am curios: Which ride has a more air-time filled first drop?

Goliath:http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery615.htm?Picture=8
Raging Bull:http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery535.htm?Picture=5
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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:12 PM
Warning....train whore post: Goliath kicks RB's butt....better trains. I like RB's layout in general (save for the trims, LOL), but Goliath had better intensity for me. First drop specifically, I prefer the misted tunnel on Goliath, and the first turnaround was *powerful*....

....I am SURE that others will disagree....and now, the others...;)

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:18 PM
i have yet to ride Goliath, but it doesnt have the dip -> drop like RB has. I would imaginge a misted tunnel would be better, however, I can't see how the drop on Goliath would be better seeing as it is just a normal, straight drop.

Then again, when I do ride this beast, my feelings could totally change

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:20 PM
I think reaging bull is much better. I worked on Raging Bull during the 2000 season so I might be alittle biased but who cares. Goliath was pretty cool but the bull was better. To get maximum air on the bull leave the lap bar as high as possible and lean forward with arms straing ahead and you fly!!!!
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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:21 PM
I'm assuming you rode both rides in the back seat? Because that is where the mega air-time is at. (on the Bull at least)

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:26 PM
You definatly have to ride the bull in the back!!!
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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:33 PM
Sounds like bull to me...

Sorry, couldn't resist :)

-R (who has ridden Raging Bull, but only in the front).

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:51 PM
Which ride has a more air-time filled first drop?

Definitely Bull, definitely in the back.

While I prefer the trains on the Bull (whose restraints are the best and most comfortable in the world, IMHO) and the overall layout, there's nothing else I've ridden that can compare with the awesome intensity of big G's "centrifuge".

I'm dying to get back to SFoT to try out Titan's double helping of helix-goodness

Later,
EV
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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:27 PM
I have never ridden Goliath but I have ridden Bull. That first drop is insane and you get yanked off the hill if you are in the back seat. That is one of the best drops on a coaster I have ever been on in my whole life. My cousin has ridden both and says that overall Bull gives a better ride. The only thing on Goliath she likes more is the intensity.
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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:44 PM
The yank of the Bull in the last row is amazing. You literally float all the way down the first drop with your body only touching the lapbar. It has the best first drop of any coaster I have ever ridden including MF.

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Mike
Favorite Wood: Viper at SFGAM,Shivering Timbers
Favorite Steel: Magnum and Raging Bull

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:50 PM
I sure hope Bull is better than Apollo's Chariot because AP was so unintense and just did literally *nothing* while Goliath had a very unique and interesting layout.

I HATE those B&M trains, hate them with a passion, and I find the trains on Goliath to be great. Although Goliath doesn't have the best first dop ever, the second and third take care of the airtime. The helix is "killer" and something unreal at night (and in the rain.)

So I would say if Bull is anything like Apollo, then Goliath wins hands down.

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:55 PM
I agree with everyone who said Bull in the back. I like Bull's trains better anyway, and the little dip and then getting sucked off the top....wow. The height difference isn't that noticable/significant, and it felt like Bull's drop was steeper (maybe just because of the dip first) and it's tunnel felt...well, better. Not neccesarily closer or longer, but it just seemed more noticable Goliath's.

Neither of the layouts really inspired me though, being an airtime whore. Bull had so much potential, but the trims were killing all the air.


Just out of curiousity, why are we comparing these two first drops? I know that the rest of the first section of both rides are similar but S:RoS SFNE (and any coaster that first drops into a tunnel) has a similar first drop and leaves them all behind.
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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:16 PM
Goliath's trains in my opinion are aesthetically pleasing to the eye, but they are uncomfortable with those short hard seats. While I think it is a good coaster, I definitely prefer it's B&M cousins

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:56 PM
I've ridden both, so I feel as though I should answer. I also have an opinion, which is probably good.

Raging Bull is better! I am not a whore one way or the other, at least as far as g's go, but Raging Bull definately has the better drop, and I think, overall, the better layout. I should say, I DO prefer negative g's to positive g's, and Goliath's helix is really nice, but when I ride hypers, I sort of expect to be thrown around a bit. That's why we love having the simple lap bar.

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:59 PM
GoliathKills, sorry to be the bearer of "bad news" but I found Apollo's Chariot to be way more exciting than Raging Bull. Actually, Apollo's Chariot is my number 1 steel right now based on the 3 rides I had at the beginning of the summer 2001. I've heard it has been trimmed down since then but I'm hoping not as much as Bull.

Quite frankly, and I'm going to flat out say it, don't be offended if you are Bull fanatic...I think Bull is a 1-trick pony. As others have mentioned, the first drop is incredible, but every one after that (except for a modest dose of airtime in the drop right before the figure-8) is almost like a nice breezy trip in a convertible. Very enjoyable indeed, but after the first drop, it's almost what I would consider a family coaster, you may be amazed by the number of families in the line.

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Warning: I do not think like the average person. My remarks have plenty of thought behind them. Take it for what it's worth, if you disagree, please, feel free to express it, but don't put me down because of it.
*** This post was edited by SFGAMDie HARD 3/25/2003 8:00:48 PM ***

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:02 PM

coriantomr said:
You definatly have to ride the bull in the back!!!

Just look at my Name

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If you haven't rode Raging Bull in the back row you haven't lived. The feeling on that first drop cannot be explained in words!

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:22 PM
Has anyone ever ridden Bull without the trims? I have. It is great. It flys through the ride course . The air time is great on the bunny hill. The first drop is great. Can't wait to do it again in the spring.
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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:01 PM
Once again, like everyone else here the bull in the back is an airtime beast, especially on the first drop and the drop off the trims and into the picture. I have not ridden Goliath but I have ridden Titan and I feel that this coaster is over way to fast and when it comes to Raging Bull's time, one of my sisters friends said it best: "Is it ever going to end!?!" Bull is 10X better then Titan. Oh and the BM seats are the best, the plastic justs molds to your legs so you hardly feel it and the sensation of air is a lot more intense when your feet dont touch the ground :)

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:12 PM
I cant say which is more intense due to not riding Goliath but RB in row 9 is borderline a religious experience.

Back in 1999 when it first opened , I found myself grabbing the clamshell restraint everytime down the first hill. For some reason that season I couldnt get myself to just be free and have my arms up. Today that isnt a problem but the first drop is still some airtime heaven.

Now if they pull a Cedar Fair and put trims on the first drop of the Bull, I will be greatly disappointed.

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*** This post was edited by Chitown 3/25/2003 9:12:46 PM ***

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:12 PM

coriantomr said:
I think reaging bull is much better. I worked on Raging Bull during the 2000 season so I might be alittle biased but who cares. Goliath was pretty cool but the bull was better. To get maximum air on the bull leave the lap bar as high as possible and lean forward with arms straing ahead and you fly!!!!

Greg, is that you?! Dude, I lost your email! Email me at NitroJoeC@charter.net when you get a chance bud!

Now about which drop is better...easily Raging Bull's. When I first rode that thing in the back it scared the living crap out of me. I had been on Magnum and Steel Force at that time, and this drop put those to SHAME.

Even after all these years, it's still one of the best drops on a hyper. I only like MF's (due to sheer height) and EGF's drop more. And the trains on Bull are simply perfect, they allow you to experience the full effect of the airtime instead of cramming you into a tiny Gio or Intamin car.

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