My point is, I don't think the rankings are stupid, unwarrented, or pointless.
First, welcome to coasterbuzz, you have some good ideas here.
What I would recommend, though, is if you are actually disputing something that someone has previously said in the thread, please actually point out exactly what and where that is. If only because I'm not sure when anybody in this thread has said the rankings are stupid, unwarrented, or pointless. Maybe I missed it but in doing so you will make your point that much more clear and purposeful.
El Toro fantastic, but Voyage still that much better. Toro is a crazy ride (especially in the back row at midnight), but Voyage has just that much more oomph behind it.
"You seem healthy. So much for voodoo."
As to my previous post, thanks for the suggestion...and your right I should have clarified myself a bit. You are right that no one said anything about the rankings being stupid or pointless. My clarification is that I wasn't exactly saying anyone in particular had said those things, but by reading some of the posts, that thought/idea had been implied by some. For that I will have to apologise. After thinking a bit I realise that you can't just assume things like this, and my assumption probably isn't as correct as I had originally thought. So again, I apologise.
In the future I'll be sure to clarify myself a bit better and quote people where I get my ideas from.
Thanks again for the warm welcome. I really feel like I could spend some serious time here reading, learning, and making new friends! *** Edited 6/19/2006 5:16:52 AM UTC by HoliJohn***
Now I haven't ridden The Voyage yet, but I certainly think it deserves #1. El Toro is amazing, but there is obviously just so much more to The Voyage. I just hope all you Holiday World/Voyage "fan boys" can give El Toro respect as well. It certainly is a Top 5 woodie and IMO should probably take Top 2-3. It just seems like some people are rooting for El Toro to fail and are going to judge it's ranking based on that.
*** Edited 6/19/2006 12:13:25 AM UTC by MrX***
I haven't ridden ET and if ET beat Voyage after riding it, I'd have no problems ranking it #1. but until then, I guess Im a HW fan boy for loving Voyage for being the ultimate wooden roller coaster to me, So far to date.
I don't really have an opinion about the ride necessarily, but more about what it represents. I'm not saying it automatically deserves #1 because of the way it looks or whatever, but if it does get #1 it will be rightfully so. That's all I meant when I said that The Voyage "deserves" #1. If El Toro were to get #1, that would be great too, but as I said I just hope ET gets at least that Top 5 or Top 3 spot it deserves.
As you said, The Voyage is the "ultimate wooden rollercoaster". I mean it's a 6000+ ft. long terrain coaster with 5 tunnels! It's in a totally different league as El Toro, and no matter how good El Toro is it just doesn't stand a chance with most people of taking on The Voyage for #1.
The Voyage is about the experience, the setting, the terrain, the tunnels, the length. El Toro really doesn't have any of that. El Toro is just fast and fun and smooth with a few of the best airtime moments ever. When people stack that next to The Voyage, they will probably tend to give The Voyage the upper hand just because they feel like it would be wrong to NOT rate a coaster of that magnitude #1.
And please don't take that "fanboy" comment the wrong way. It wasn't meant to be derogatory or anything. That's why it was in quotes. I was basically just saying that I hope all the hardcore HW people who are blinded by The Voyage can open their eyes for El Toro and give it half a chance. It really deserves it.
In all seriousness, I haven't ridden El Toro yet, but I did ride the Voyage on Thursday. Unfortunately for reasons that will be revealed in my yet to be written trip report, I could not ride The Voyage in the back and I could only ride it once. I thought it was good, and the ending reminded me of Texas Giant, but it didn't blow me away. Hopefully, I will be able to return to HW someday and take that backseat ride.
A friend and I rode Voyage 30 times on Tuesday and Wednesday combined, 2 front row rides, a 1.2 ride, a 2.1 ride, and the rest in the back car. Yes the coaster starts to beat you up a little after 10 or 12 consecutive rides, but that's because it is INTENSE. It really is worth it, and no matter what I couldn't stop riding it.
The ultimate coaster in my opinion. Topped MF and X in my rankings.
Oh, and just a side note....bring a condom or two to use during that triple down. Drool.
*** Edited 6/23/2006 4:07:43 AM UTC by Raging_Bull*** *** Edited 6/23/2006 4:09:15 AM UTC by Raging_Bull***
Acoustic Viscosity said:
Try : ) without the space between the : and the ) *** Edited 6/13/2006 8:16:11 PM UTC by Acoustic Viscosity***
Five years on Coasater buzz and I just now figured that out. I was sick of the generic :-)
Some people like El Toro better than Voyage and vice versa. I plan on getting back to Jersey sometime in the fall. I really don't care which is better. I just feel damn lucky to have both! Voyage ROCKED my world and I am sure Toro will as well.
:) Cool! ;)
*** Edited 6/25/2006 4:11:08 AM UTC by coasterqueenTRN***
You have no idea what is scarry until you ride the Voyage at night...I'm one of the fortunate ones who had the opportunity to ride the Beast in its hay day (1979-1982) by which it was my favorite coaster for the first 16 years it was open...Also, the ending of the Texas Giant is not even close anymore to the ending of the Voyage...Even during the first couple of years the TG was open it was very good but again not nearly as intense as the ending of the Voyage..
I've been thinking more and more about my one ride on this thing. It was sooo smooth, smoother than any steel coaster. Really nice! Yes, prefer a real woodie, but this was cool. That 'uplift force' (not really 'airtime') was quite aggressive! Easily the most aggressive 'uplift force' I've ever experienced.
If Disney ever wanted to build a 'woodie' this would be the way to go. Rumor had it a few years ago they wanted to build a 'coney island' complete with a Cyclone clone. Well, they came up with California Adventure.
But Intamin could build them a good woodie, of course not aggressive like El Toro, but medium... it's not rough at all, great for the family.
There are so many BIG woodies out there that would benefit from this track system. Of course the trains would have to be modified or replaced as well. Let's hope this starts to happen. Stuff like SOB and Mean Streak would at least be rideable ... would be very expensive in the beginning, but effective in the long run, I think :)
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