El Toro replacing Voyage in #1 rankings.

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HoliJohn said:

My point is, I don't think the rankings are stupid, unwarrented, or pointless.

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First, welcome to coasterbuzz, you have some good ideas here.

What I would recommend, though, is if you are actually disputing something that someone has previously said in the thread, please actually point out exactly what and where that is. If only because I'm not sure when anybody in this thread has said the rankings are stupid, unwarrented, or pointless. Maybe I missed it but in doing so you will make your point that much more clear and purposeful.

Having now been on both for late-night rides:

El Toro fantastic, but Voyage still that much better. Toro is a crazy ride (especially in the back row at midnight), but Voyage has just that much more oomph behind it.

Matt, thanks for your welcome! I find this forum very interesting and everyone seems pretty friendly. I kinda of shy away from posting a whole lot since I fear for getting myself in over my head. If I do so, feel free to slap me around a bit. ;)

As to my previous post, thanks for the suggestion...and your right I should have clarified myself a bit. You are right that no one said anything about the rankings being stupid or pointless. My clarification is that I wasn't exactly saying anyone in particular had said those things, but by reading some of the posts, that thought/idea had been implied by some. For that I will have to apologise. After thinking a bit I realise that you can't just assume things like this, and my assumption probably isn't as correct as I had originally thought. So again, I apologise.

In the future I'll be sure to clarify myself a bit better and quote people where I get my ideas from.

Thanks again for the warm welcome. I really feel like I could spend some serious time here reading, learning, and making new friends! *** Edited 6/19/2006 5:16:52 AM UTC by HoliJohn***

Hey, no need to apologize, I just felt like you were obviously a very well written, thought out kind of guy, and I was just too dense to follow your train of thought! ;) All's well, all's well.

Voyage will be #1 I don't think you have to worry about that. In fact, even if El Toro were better overall, The Voyage would still be #1 just because it's at Holiday World.

Now I haven't ridden The Voyage yet, but I certainly think it deserves #1. El Toro is amazing, but there is obviously just so much more to The Voyage. I just hope all you Holiday World/Voyage "fan boys" can give El Toro respect as well. It certainly is a Top 5 woodie and IMO should probably take Top 2-3. It just seems like some people are rooting for El Toro to fail and are going to judge it's ranking based on that.
*** Edited 6/19/2006 12:13:25 AM UTC by MrX***

How can you even have a opinion on Voyage without riding it?

I haven't ridden ET and if ET beat Voyage after riding it, I'd have no problems ranking it #1. but until then, I guess Im a HW fan boy for loving Voyage for being the ultimate wooden roller coaster to me, So far to date.

Chuck

Hmmm...how can I explain this...

I don't really have an opinion about the ride necessarily, but more about what it represents. I'm not saying it automatically deserves #1 because of the way it looks or whatever, but if it does get #1 it will be rightfully so. That's all I meant when I said that The Voyage "deserves" #1. If El Toro were to get #1, that would be great too, but as I said I just hope ET gets at least that Top 5 or Top 3 spot it deserves.

As you said, The Voyage is the "ultimate wooden rollercoaster". I mean it's a 6000+ ft. long terrain coaster with 5 tunnels! It's in a totally different league as El Toro, and no matter how good El Toro is it just doesn't stand a chance with most people of taking on The Voyage for #1.

The Voyage is about the experience, the setting, the terrain, the tunnels, the length. El Toro really doesn't have any of that. El Toro is just fast and fun and smooth with a few of the best airtime moments ever. When people stack that next to The Voyage, they will probably tend to give The Voyage the upper hand just because they feel like it would be wrong to NOT rate a coaster of that magnitude #1.

And please don't take that "fanboy" comment the wrong way. It wasn't meant to be derogatory or anything. That's why it was in quotes. I was basically just saying that I hope all the hardcore HW people who are blinded by The Voyage can open their eyes for El Toro and give it half a chance. It really deserves it.

I'm sorry, but the Beast during Beastbuzz last night owns them all:) It was truly one of the scariest experiences I've ever had on a roller coaster. I was actually yelling out of fear. You couldn't see a thing in the section where the tunnels are before the lift.

In all seriousness, I haven't ridden El Toro yet, but I did ride the Voyage on Thursday. Unfortunately for reasons that will be revealed in my yet to be written trip report, I could not ride The Voyage in the back and I could only ride it once. I thought it was good, and the ending reminded me of Texas Giant, but it didn't blow me away. Hopefully, I will be able to return to HW someday and take that backseat ride.

The back seat rides are amazing. Well, actually in my opinion 7.1 is better than 7.2 as it's a tad smoother and the airtime is basically the same.

A friend and I rode Voyage 30 times on Tuesday and Wednesday combined, 2 front row rides, a 1.2 ride, a 2.1 ride, and the rest in the back car. Yes the coaster starts to beat you up a little after 10 or 12 consecutive rides, but that's because it is INTENSE. It really is worth it, and no matter what I couldn't stop riding it.

The ultimate coaster in my opinion. Topped MF and X in my rankings.

Oh, and just a side note....bring a condom or two to use during that triple down. Drool.

*** Edited 6/23/2006 4:07:43 AM UTC by Raging_Bull*** *** Edited 6/23/2006 4:09:15 AM UTC by Raging_Bull***

Intamin Fan: Go ride the Voyage at night. Talk about scary in the dark! I'm the kind of person that doesn't really yell out of fear. I just get quiet. Let me just say that my night rides on the Voyage made me really, REALLY quiet. When you don't really know the layout all that well (and even after you do), it's just freakin scary. An incredible ride, too.

I finally rode it today, once. I'm gonna write a trip report, but just wanted to add my quick 2 cents. It's in no way shape or form anywhwere near the same league as Voyage. The gp love it though!

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Acoustic Viscosity said:
Like this.

Try : ) without the space between the : and the ) *** Edited 6/13/2006 8:16:11 PM UTC by Acoustic Viscosity***

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Five years on Coasater buzz and I just now figured that out. I was sick of the generic :-)

Some people like El Toro better than Voyage and vice versa. I plan on getting back to Jersey sometime in the fall. I really don't care which is better. I just feel damn lucky to have both! Voyage ROCKED my world and I am sure Toro will as well.

:) Cool! ;)

-Tina

*** Edited 6/25/2006 4:11:08 AM UTC by coasterqueenTRN***

Intamin Fan,

You have no idea what is scarry until you ride the Voyage at night...I'm one of the fortunate ones who had the opportunity to ride the Beast in its hay day (1979-1982) by which it was my favorite coaster for the first 16 years it was open...Also, the ending of the Texas Giant is not even close anymore to the ending of the Voyage...Even during the first couple of years the TG was open it was very good but again not nearly as intense as the ending of the Voyage..

I just got my first toro ride earlier today and if Voyage is better than that, I am driving to Indiana tomorrow. We are very lucky that we have these two rides. Toro was freakin nuts, only thing that could make it better is another thousand or so feet of track.

Yeah! How bout it! Maybe a tunnel or two. It's like Mellenium Force on a smaller scale, it's all speed. Another thing that would make it better if it wasn't at Great Adventure :)

I've been thinking more and more about my one ride on this thing. It was sooo smooth, smoother than any steel coaster. Really nice! Yes, prefer a real woodie, but this was cool. That 'uplift force' (not really 'airtime') was quite aggressive! Easily the most aggressive 'uplift force' I've ever experienced.

If Disney ever wanted to build a 'woodie' this would be the way to go. Rumor had it a few years ago they wanted to build a 'coney island' complete with a Cyclone clone. Well, they came up with California Adventure.

But Intamin could build them a good woodie, of course not aggressive like El Toro, but medium... it's not rough at all, great for the family.

There are so many BIG woodies out there that would benefit from this track system. Of course the trains would have to be modified or replaced as well. Let's hope this starts to happen. Stuff like SOB and Mean Streak would at least be rideable ... would be very expensive in the beginning, but effective in the long run, I think :)