Disney sues DeSantis for using government to retaliate against the company

This whole thing is just so on-point for Disney. Don't argue the matter, don't shout and scream about it, let the other guy do all the screaming, let him pay out all the rope he wants.

Then hang him with it.

If the entity you are arguing with isn't arguing with you, don't assume he isn't paying attention or that he doesn't care what's going on. When the moment arrives for that counter-argument, you won't know what hit you. We'll see how it goes for Disney, but my observation is that their legal people are pretty sharp...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Interesting situation for DeSantis. Typically, if you have a problematic motive for doing something, you don't talk about it. You talk about other reasons why you are taking a given action that are not problematic. Since Reedy was established, I would expect that there have been some conversations about it being unfair. Special benefit to Disney that other entities do not necessarily have. Talk of making changes to how it operated. Or putting some type of oversight in place. Nothing nefarious and how the process works.

Would expect that those would be discussed as the reason for the change. Things that have been discussed over the years. Now is the right time to take these steps. Etc. Messaging would be consistent. There would not be conflicting statements made (publicly or privately in memos, emails, texts, etc (FoxNews should have figured that out)). But this is politics that that doesn't get DeSantis any play (doubt there are many people in Florida and even fewer in the rest of the country so no political victory taking that approach) who really have Reedy Creek high on their list of things that need to change. So, he needs to talk about punishing Disney, fighting woke, etc. So he (others in the Florida legislature) have made multiple public statements on the issue making it a challenge to give different reasons to support the changes.

Court pleadings can be fun reading. Plaintiffs typically plead anything and everything. Don't need to win on everything, just on something. Toss everything against the wall and see what sticks. And the plaintiffs paint themselves as the most amazing people to ever have existed. And the defendants as pure evildoers. Don't give the plaintiffs what they want and democracy and civilized society will fail. World stops spinning. Zombie apocalypse is upon us. Defendants file an answer that is the exact opposite. Reality lies somewhere in the middle and its for the finder of fact to determine. If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If the law is on your side, pound the law. If neither is on your side, pound the table.

Seems likely to be Disney prevails in the court of law. In world of politics though that is less clear. Victory in politics is often quite different than it is in reality.

RideMan:

Then hang him with it.

Similar to what Twitter did to Elon Musk. They used his own Tweets and public statements about Twitter against him which forced him to pay up.

GoBucks89:

Victory in politics is often quite different than it is in reality.

Totally. Disney can win on every claim and get all of the relief, but it doesn't matter. DeSantis stuck it to "woke Disney" and he's on our side. That's the single worst change to politics in the last decade. There is now a precedent where it's OK to support someone no matter how terrible they are. We elected an admitted sexual assault guy into the White House who made fun of disabled people and veterans, with no accountability (until recently, at least).

Jeff:

There is now a precedent where it's OK to support someone no matter how terrible they are.

Biden?

False equivalence [ fawlsi-kwiv-uh-luhns ]

noun

a logical fallacy in which one assumes or asserts that two things are the same or equal when, while alike in some ways, they are not sufficiently similar to be considered equivalent.

Jeff:

"There is now a precedent where it's OK to support someone no matter how terrible they are. We elected an admitted sexual assault guy into the White House...".

I've said this before and I'm reminded of it again. I think the Democrats are not innocent in all this. The Democrats supported a man, in Bill Clinton, who had done, arguably, some pretty terrible things. Many women accused him of sexual assault or misconduct. He got into a sexual relationship...with an intern...and then defended it with ridiculous statements like, "it depends on what the definition of "is" is." If I got into a sexual relationship with an intern or an employee, I would be fired. He got re-elected.

I remember vividly, at that time, thinking Clinton's pass was going to open up the door to worse behavior.

I want accountability restored in America. While I don't think the behavior of Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon was of the same level of severity, I'm glad both of them appear to have been held accountable. I want my children to know that there are consequences to one's actions. DeSantis has made some horrible decisions that should have been challenged. I'm glad Disney has the resources to do so.

Political candidates do not run in vacuums.

Clinton absolutely did not deserve a pass for his behavior. I'm not sure if it was an impeachable offense, but it sure wasn't right.

And it's fine if you don't like Biden's policy. But don't for a minute pretend that there's some moral equivalence between anything he has done as a public servant to lying about the election, paying off porn stars, mocking the disabled, running a business convicted of fraud, insulting veterans and gold star families, etc. Not can you compare anything to Desantis' cohort of people banning books, limiting voting rights, limiting access to healthcare, vilifying entire demographics of people and limiting their rights. Those moral equivalence arguments are weak.

wahoo skipper:

If I got into a sexual relationship with an intern or an employee, I would be fired. He got re-elected.

Just a point of order, the affair didn't come to public light until after he was re-elected. But your point still holds. My dislike of Clinton has subsided a great deal since then, but it's still mind boggling that he didn't face much accountability for what happened. Also to your point, I would likely lose my job if I lied in the course of an investigation into misconduct.

I also wonder how that "relationship" would have been viewed if the national conversation over it happened today instead of 1998. The societal understanding of power differentials and misconduct have come a long way in 25 years.

I think he would have been forced by the party to retire, and Al Gore would have been president.

That is probably a given, considering that Franken was forced to resign.

As far as Clinton's getting "a pass" leading us here? Maybe that played some small role, but Gingrich's run as Speaker changed politics dramatically, and not in a healthy-for-democracy kind of way. Prior to Gingrich politicians at least tried to act in bipartisan fashion, and there were basic norms that folks adhered to. Gingrich brought cynical ugliness and obstructionism into politics, urging Republicans to cast Democrats as traitorous, radical enemies who are out do destroy America, and therefore must be stopped by any means necessary. We've never recovered, and the political hyper-partisanship he seeded has gotten dramatically worse since 2016.

Yes, I certainly believe Gingrich has some dirty hands too. That is a good point.

Jeff:

And it's fine if you don't like Biden's policy. But don't for a minute pretend that there's some moral equivalence between anything he has done as a public servant to lying about the election, paying off porn stars, mocking the disabled, running a business convicted of fraud, insulting veterans and gold star families, etc.

I'd take the position selling out your country is worse, albeit some of those things you mentioned are just flat out wrong or media hoaxes you fell for.

Biden "I don't get involved in my son's business dealings"

meanwhile his son was taking meetings with Antony Blinken to squash the laptop story LOL.

https://judiciary.house.gov...d-infamous

I can distinguish right from wrong, and reality from fantasy. Posting conspiracy nonsense here will get you unfriended.

The_Orient_of_Express:

I like how Republicans are all for big business…..until big business doesn’t agree with conservative viewpoints.

Or how the left now defends corporate lobbying and wealthy companies influencing the legislature.

That's not defending anything, that's pointing out hypocrisy.

Jeff:

I can distinguish right from wrong, and reality from fantasy. Posting conspiracy nonsense here will get you unfriended.

Note the ".Gov" in the link I posted. Testimony Revealed Secretary Blinken and the Biden Campaign Were Behind the Infamous Public Statement from Former Intel Officials on the Hunter Biden Laptop. You believed them though.

Keep on believing we are elbow deep in Ukraine due to altruism and not financial interests now.

Or that covid originated from undercooked bat, and not a lab leak.