Delirium A.K.A "sellout"

Friday, February 28, 2003 4:28 PM
Pki's newest attraction delirium is up for the 2003 season. It took the place of a classic stand up coaster (king cobra).In my veiw i say delirium is goin to be a sellout . Pki is my home prk so i am not dissing on,or anything of that nature, i am just saying that if they wanted to take out a ride to put delirium in i think that they should of choose a ride different that the cobra. what is every one elses opinion on this?

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Friday, February 28, 2003 4:38 PM
Although I will miss King Cobra, PKI had good reasons for taking it out. I have heard that it was a maintinance nightmare and that it was difficult to get replacement parts. Plus, Delirium is better than just an open lot and I'm looking forward to riding it.

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Friday, February 28, 2003 4:40 PM
I think the Cobra was a maintence nightmare that was costing more to operate than it was worth. It certainly wasn't a major draw even though the ride was popular.

If you go to the Huss Site and download the onride view of Delerium, You will see, this is one wicked and sensation filled ride.

Chuck, who actually thinks it was a darn good move and yes, there still is room for something else back there.

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Charles Nungester.
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Friday, February 28, 2003 4:42 PM
Cobra might have been a maintnece problem but pki had a new problem ... the fans of the cobra
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practice makes perfect , but nobodys perfect so why the hell practice.
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Friday, February 28, 2003 4:45 PM
Come on, do you honestly think that people won't go to PKI because the KC is gone?

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Friday, February 28, 2003 4:51 PM
I never said they wouldnt come i said that that was a mistake and a lot of people were disappointed.

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practice makes perfect , but nobodys perfect so why the hell practice.

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Friday, February 28, 2003 4:52 PM
The Bat coaster fans still come to PKI so I don't see a problem with the KC being gone from the park.
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Friday, February 28, 2003 4:52 PM
While King Cobra was a superb stand-up, I think most people understood the park's decision to remove it and it will definitely be missed. At least it wasn't only replaced by Sling Shot. Most of the park's visitors would probably have said KC was the worst coaster in the park if they were asked the year before it was removed. There's always a chance it will turn up somewhere else and, if not, I've heard the TOGO stand-up at PCW is just as good!

Think about all the people that lost their Tidal Wave, their Z-Force (ha!), their Viper, their Shockwave, their Texas Tornado, their Greezed Lightnin', etc. Change can really be a good thing a lot of time. We traded KCKC for TRTR, KMLF for WTRA, Outer Limits for FOF (ha! part deux), PT for SDatHC, and KC for Delirium, Sling Shot, and possibly another major attraction or expansion. I think you'll agree there has been an incredible improvement in every case.

Delirium looks insane to say the least and you never know what PKI has up their sleeves for the future...

-Danny
*** This post was edited by Koaster King 2/28/2003 9:59:11 PM ***

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Friday, February 28, 2003 4:57 PM
Kings Islamd said that they took it down cause parts were hard to get. Take in consideration how old beast and racer are.

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practice makes perfect , but nobodys perfect so why the hell practice.

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Friday, February 28, 2003 4:59 PM
Um..........It's not that hard to get wooden planks. It's also not hard to get parts for PTC trains, after all, they've been making them for decades, and are still in production.

Early 80s steel Japanese standups are much different. Especially since they don't have a US office/plant anymore (it was in OH)

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- "I used to be in the audio/visual club, but I was kicked out because of my views on Vietnam........and I was stealing projectors" - Homer Simpson
*** This post was edited by Peabody 2/28/2003 10:03:29 PM ***

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Friday, February 28, 2003 5:02 PM
Danny, I've been pushing real hard for Paramount to send the ride (KC) to Terra Mitica, but they don't listen to me the way other parks do for some reason...;). The other Paramount parks have *eh* stand-ups, even the Beemers are relatively blah IMO. Of course, as Danny mentioned, the one at PCW has a decent rep at least, unlike the *other* N. American Togo stand-up...ouchy!

PKI will always be Paramount's top park, and they should be...PKD is clearly second-best (of the US parks at least). These super-sized flats have capacity, and thrill appeal, and Delerium WITH Scooby Doo is a great package that will serve the park well (and keep the significant distinction from CP in terms of market segmentation)...uh-oh, I'm starting to sound like a private-sector guy again...

bill, feeling the need to go to Canada, and it ain't for the beer...although...
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Friday, February 28, 2003 5:02 PM
Well, I think you can find wood and PTC train parts easier than TOGO stand-up train parts. True, there are two still operating at other Paramount Parks. There's probably a lot more to it than that and hopefully Sean, Shaggy, or another PKI whiz can enlighten us a bit more. I could see the removal coming, but I'm happy it stayed as long as it did!

-Danny

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Friday, February 28, 2003 5:26 PM
The obvious needs to be pointed out. KC was not removed for the installation of Delirium. Delirium is filling the spot vacated by KC's removal. There is a big difference.

Actually fans of KC should consider themselves very lucky. The life of KC was extended by 2 seasons when PKI decided not to add the Vekoma Flyer. The proposed Flyer was slated to take KC's spot. However PPD&E cancelled both PKI and PKD's versions and thus KC stayed. The cancelled flyers were sold to nearby SF parks... SFWOA and SFA. Suckers.....! Tee hee ;)

KC had been on the chopping block since Adventure Village was changed into Action Zone in 1999. I think it fist popped up on the Ital International used ride auction site in 2000.

PKI surveyed guests on Coney Mall mid-season last year about the attraction(s) they would prefer PKI to add in 2003. The overwhelming choice was a Frisbee, nixing a proposed Wild Mouse coaster. Guests were completely dis-interested in the Mouse.

Never-the-less, the decision to install Delirium was made well into the 2002 season. PKI had dismantled KC prior to that time.

Thus KC was not removed FOR Delirium.

Although I appreciate the contribution KC made to PKI and to coasters in general.... I don't miss it. Believe it or not, it was my all-time favorite stand-up, but I haven't missed it one bit. I like change at PKI. If they kept everything the same for the past 30 years, I would get bored with it and not go back.

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Shaggy

Proud A-lister!

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Friday, February 28, 2003 5:52 PM
SkyRider is a very nice standup coaster in my opinion, having ridden Shockwave at PKD, I can honestly say I enjoyed SkyRider more. That last little pop before the brake run on Shockwave is a killer...

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Favorite Steel: Millennium Force at Cedar Point

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Friday, February 28, 2003 6:37 PM
Yeah,we ended up losing our proposed stand up at SFA because of Batwing arghh.

If any stand up deserves to go next in the paramount chjain it's shockwave,that thing is literally a man killer,if you remember back in 99 someone was killed on it & I'm surprised it has lasted this long,after all galaxi was removed 3 years after an accident in which a rider was thrown & killed & shockwave was the replacement for it not to mention that the paint scheme is terrible,whoever painted it in those god awful colors should've been shot(& they probably were).

I just hope it isn't there come 2004,I hope they replace it with a new coaster using that space along with diamond falls former location.

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Friday, February 28, 2003 7:15 PM
Yeah but didn't the person killed on Shockwave jump off the ride? Its stupid people like that who make stupid people like Markey want to shut down rides. If people would just follow the rules...

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Track Record: 164
Favorite Wood: Phoenix at Knoebels
Favorite Steel: Millennium Force at Cedar Point

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Friday, February 28, 2003 10:21 PM
Perhaps they were not deciding to remove something to place Delerium at all. Just maybe, they had to pick Delerium to fill the space of a ride that was already planned for removal. It all depends on your viewpoint!

edit--- Sorry Shaggy, I don't know how I missed your post on the read-through. I didn't intend on restating this
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If your not the one, Then why does my soul feel glad today?
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*** This post was edited by coasterrod 3/1/2003 3:25:54 AM ***

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Saturday, March 1, 2003 7:20 AM
I hope no one is upset by this...it's not a *moral judgement*...the guy on Shockwave wasn't *just* violating the rules, and there was no accident...it's MY opinion, based on all the evidence presented, that he merely chose to use a coaster as a means of suicide....

On to happier things, Delerium is gonna be a great addition for the park....and with Scooby (and Shaggy, too), PKI is going to have another great year...

PKD's Shockwave, from my experience, is just a Togo version of Iron Wolf...the layout may be different, but the headache felt very similar...;)

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Saturday, March 1, 2003 7:29 AM
1) "Terra Mitica... and... need to go to Canada" 2) "Shockwave... there was no accident..." 3) "Delirium... great addition for the park... Scooby... great year"

Bill, I agree, agree, agree. I was looking forward to riding Shockwave in a few weeks and I still have my fingers crossed that I might find some enjoyment out of it. Nevertheless, it's my first time at PKD, so I'll find plenty to ride... and hopefully reride over and over again. Taxi Jam! :)

-Danny

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Saturday, March 1, 2003 7:42 AM
If you MUST ride Shockwave (I predict one spin, LOL), do yourself a favor and go to the front....on the back seat, I turned down a re-ride from an enthusiast op last summer. Normally I'd hang just so I could chat with the guy since the park was basically empty, but man, that thing was painful! Worst....stand-up....ever....;)

Taxi Jam...requires NO kid to ride...the op laughed her @$$ off watching me ride with my hands up...Jill sat out and explained to the *other moms* that her "big kid" was really just INSANE....:).

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