CW Announcement coming Aug 27

B/M builds what the parks wants..(with some constraints of course)

Don't you just wish you could steal this new coaster from us and bring it down to the states and put it right were you wanted it? Maybe even air it on t.v. and show the world your new coaster. :) *** Edited 8/24/2007 10:40:52 AM UTC by CoasterDiscern***

I think you left out the part about "nanny nanny boo boo."

Actually I think it's perfect right where it's going. CW certainly deserves it, and it's the highest attended CF park (I think) so it makes perfect sense to me.

Shaggy

Wonderland has been the highest attended seasonal theme park in North America for 2 years. CF has Knotts with the highest attendance in thier chain, but they are open year round. CW beat out Cedar Point, Kings Island and any of the Six Flags parks for the last two years.

...blame that on the fact that Wonderland has little to no competition in a market with 5,555,912 million folks in the GTA (source), and other surrounding communities like Hamiltion, the greater Niagara region, London & such... you've got a pretty much guaranteed gold-mine.

...it's no wonder they wouldn't even consider moving Wonderland to Niagara Falls region as the rumors a number of years ago indicated.

^But then they'd be in more direct competition with SFDL, and they'd *never* be able to compete with Martin's... ;)

LOL, while one really good wooden coaster DOES have more attractive power than multiple mediocre ones...PCW is simply THAT good of a park. Shame about the wood though...

I took a look at the website, and it says something about something never before seen in Canada?

Technically, they already have a B&M speed coaster at La Ronde. What they don't have is a floorless coaster. CW already has a small flying coaster, so why would they add a large one? Or, perhaps we could be seeing another dive machine install--those go up to 200 feet.

IMO, they should put in a speed coaster. But let's not jump to those conclusions just yet.

coastin' since 1985

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matt. said:
The public has no idea what a B&M hyper is. I don't know what the park is building but it could be an exact Goliath clone with a different color scheme and still be something Canada has never seen before.

I wouldnt mind a floorless hyper.

Bolliger/Mabillard for President in '08 NOT Dinn/Summers

^With lap bars of course! ;)

DawgByte II said:
...blame that on the fact that Wonderland has little to no competition in a market with 5,555,912 million folks in the GTA (source), and other surrounding communities like Hamiltion, the greater Niagara region, London & such... you've got a pretty much guaranteed gold-mine.
...it's no wonder they wouldn't even consider moving Wonderland to Niagara Falls region as the rumors a number of years ago indicated.

Ok... well let's put your theory to a bit of a test. Six Flags Great America is in the Greater Chicago Area, with a population of 9,505,748, significantly more than Greater Toronto. Why does SFGAm pull a million guests a year less that Canada's Wonderland? And SFGAm has much better coasters and a bigger waterpark. The nearest competition to Chicago would be Wisconsin Dells and that's about 2 hours away, the same distance as Darien Lake is from Toronto.

I can't support your theory about it being the only game in town and therefore acheiving it's excellent revenue and attendance figures. Wonderland is a great park with something for everyone. It's clean, beautiful, well staffed and well liked by 3.2 million guests a year. Remember that's more than the beloved Cedar Point.

There are lots of "only-game-in-town" parks that don't even come close to the performance of Wonderland.

...ok... 'cause outside of the actual city of Toronto, what else is there to do in Canada in that area for fun?

Oh yea... and also, asians like to have fun... and based on a lot of photos from the park and the city's actual population of them, they probably contribute to from a third to nearly half of the yearly attendance (made up estimates).

There's lots to do around Toronto. There will be even more to do next year when this thing opens. And I think everyone will be knocked over by the announcement on Monday.

I don't know a lot, but I have heard that we will find the trains especially interesting.

rollergator said:
CoasterDiscern said:I'm shocked at the amount of people not making any new suggestions for wht the new coaster might be. Oh well.
How soon they forget! We *just* had a 4-5 page discussion about the ride only a week or so ago...

Well, crap. I was hoping I wouldn't have to haul back up there again anytime soon. Two visits in seven months was enough. ;)

-Tina

Although somebody "hacked" into the animation, as of right now when there is 1-day, 23hrs, & 2 minutes... it shows the meter at only 87' tall.

If this were true and it finishes at the end, wouldn't it cap off at merely 100+ feet vs the 173' of the last day, so it seems the little meter may not be correctly as it should.

It really seems as if it will be a hyper vs. any type of looping coaster... because if there is any type of B&M it may be other than a hyper would be a dive-machine, and although it goes over the water ala Griffon, I just don't quite swallow it yet (although I'll take either one for that park).

PCWCoasterBoy said:
The nearest competition to Chicago would be Wisconsin Dells and that's about 2 hours away, the same distance as Darien Lake is from Toronto.

Theme parks aren't just in competition with other parks, there's a lot of other options a family can have for a day of fun that doesn't just revolve around going to park x or park y.

Anyway, speculation like this can be fun, comparing markets and populations and competition, but the numbers are just to involved and complicated and numerous for any armchair analysts like us to completely explain why CW does so well.

But it's obviously in an absolutely sweetheart of a market. I'm sure the park is super nice and has made some incredibly smart decisions in the past but to just chalk it all up to that doesn't work. Good decisions just aren't directly proportional to attendance. It's part of it, but it will never be all of it.

CW has done well but no park posts those kinds of numbers without being in a really ideal area for this kind of operation.

DawgByte II said:
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It really seems as if it will be a hyper vs. any type of looping coaster... because if there is any type of B&M it may be other than a hyper would be a dive-machine, and although it goes over the water ala Griffon, I just don't quite swallow it yet (although I'll take either one for that park).

Just so you know, it is definitely not a dive machine. There are pictures of the track online now, and it is not massive like dive machine track, nor do the ties go straight across.

I'm still betting hyper. *** Edited 8/25/2007 1:59:49 PM UTC by niiicolaaah***

I will add, that not only am I very appreciative to have this new coaster built so close to my hometown but how easy this new coaster will be accessible for myself and others to enjoy. I can actually say there is a new B&M coaster just an hour away that I can ride without the troubles of a country dividing border, currency exchange, and unfamiliar territory both with driving routes and air pressure. ;)

DawgByte II said:
...ok... 'cause outside of the actual city of Toronto, what else is there to do in Canada in that area for fun?
Oh yea... and also, asians like to have fun... and based on a lot of photos from the park and the city's actual population of them, they probably contribute to from a third to nearly half of the yearly attendance (made up estimates).

Ok... so based on your response, I'm going to go with:

a) you've never been to Wonderland,

b) that you've never been to Toronto, and

c) you believe stereotypes too much

And here I thought we might have an intelligent debate using facts.

Nope... wrong & wrong.

I've been to Toronto at least a dozen or so times in the past 10yrs, including the yearly car show in mid February, visits to the Science Museum, among other attractions.

I've been to Wonderland twice, and have a very positive aspect of it (however, half of the population AND workers seemed to be of asian descent. It felt a little like Disney Tokyo)... I have nothing but praise for the park in & of itself (except the initial security for the entrance, and the hand-stamp policy).

Finally... I don't believe stereotypes too much, they fill 'em in for me! I work part-time for a bowling alley, and out of the wood-works, they come in droves in an area not known for any asians... to bowl for hours on end (and spend good money). I have nothing against 'em... I'm just saying based on "captain obvious" observations.

The only "competition" that Toronto has are the following:
CNE: The yearly 'fair' which offers a good amount of rides & attractions (last visit: 1990).
Ontario Place: A place geared more for younger families, as it's limited on fun (last visit: 1988).
Centreville: A definate kids park, but in an excellent location.
Wild Water Kingdom: A large waterpark... but that's all it really is.
Wild Water & Wheels: A nothing amusement park in a small city North East of Toronto. Very run-down feeling to it (last visit: 2004).

None of those are really any threat to Wonderland, and would still count as the "only game in town".

*** Edited 8/25/2007 6:27:05 PM UTC by DawgByte II***