CP's Deuling Flyers?

Actually, Screamscape is pretty reliable compared to most other websites. I doubt they will get a dueling flyer, and Screamscape even mentions that it is a crazy idea. But they've been pretty close several times. They said CP would get a 300 ft.+ plus coaster in 2000 (though the rumor was it would have loops) and a 400 ft.+ one in 2003 or 2004, which happened.

I don't think saying CP will get a Delirium-type ride and a flying coaster is far-fetched at all. They probably will, as they are both rides in demand.

What I want has already been mentioned in this thread, part of it anyway. I say tear down MS and replace it with a Stampida type ride. You have yourself a dueling/racing coaster with a smaller wooden coaster also thrown in the mix. That would update CP's serious lack of quality wood. And a nice mouse or Gerstlaur spinning coaster would fill out that area of the park nicely.

If they do build a flyer, which I don't doubt is a good possibility. For the love of god, please don't make it dueling flyers. Talk about a waste of money. They should just build one that 'duels' with an already existing coaster like on the island with MF.

I dont see how it would be a waste of money.

How about dueling spinning mice. :)

That park needs SOMETHING thrilling in the back of the peninsula. The only thing fun back there is the log flume, and with the rumors that it's going the way of the Dodo bird, that'll leave NOTHING to help pull people back there. The gig is up with Mean(dering) Streak. It gets people, but not like it should for it's size. People have caught on that it's not much more than a haven for the world's largest collection of spiderwebs, which Lori is a big fan of. ;)

Whereas it is fun to speculate what CP will be putting in for 2005, Screamscape has the "Dueling Flyers" idea under the rumor section for CP. If it was not fun to guess about rumors, we would not be talking about it.

Anyway, I would rather have WWC than another coaster. A decent water ride that does not get you soaked is hard to come by.

A flyer would work for them. I tend to doubt that it will be dueling but who knows.

I do think MotorCityCoasterFan has a point with a floorless, though. A good sit down looper would do well there.

off topic, but do you know what I think would really be cool. A flying Impluse coaster! The radius of the towers would be alot but still.

The park doesn't necessarily NEED something in the back of the peninsula...

...I kind of like it, because it's quiet & almost like a whole different part of the park that's totally unlike the rest of the park. I love walking thru the whole western-life atmosphere & those little shops like the blacksmith, candle store, woodworking shop, petting zoo & so forth... really nice quiet atmosphere.

...however, right past there where the wave swinger & such is... they could use a coulpe more rides... dueling flyers? Mmmmaybe not... I really don't know where a good location could be for those, even if ride shuffling is not a problem.

...I'd hate to see the log ride go bye-bye considering they've only got 3 water-rides left which is cool to have them all in one area... but if it's gotta go to make room for bigger & better attractions, so be it. It was touch to see the 2nd bumper-cars go & have a couple flats relocated... but the replacement definately fit into the park just fine!

Whatever happens... I just know Cedar Point will do it right.

Yes, I think that a this type of rides would be a nice fit It would follow Cedar Point's type of ride with being the first Deuling Flyers. I would so ride it. I hope it does come and works fine since it would be a B & M version.

Why would they "test" floorlesses in Dorney? There're what, 9 or them running rather reliably out there?

This has been the rumor "flying" around the park for a long time now. This isn't just some crazy random story someone submitted to Screamscape.

As told to me...

They are going much taller than the previous flyers, and presumably much longer than the others, as well as boosting the capacity by a factor of 2. Screamscape was rather vague in their description too. I wouldn't be surprised if, as months go by, they post further details--that is if they were told the whole story.

Apparently they will be dueling-hyper flyers (~225 ft) and they each shatter the inversion record at 12 a piece. I believe that the fly-by in-line twist was also in the works.

The other rumor on Screamscape about the removal of White Water Landing coincides with this rumor because that as well as Antique Cars and maybe even Wave Swinger will be giving up their plots for the dueling flyers.

Remember, these are only rumors...but the funny thing about rumors is that sometimes they are true.

Of course, many people find the B&M flyers still relatively uncomfortable at the size they are now. A flyer at 225 ft. would of course be doable if you just stretched the transitions out but I'd imagine you are talking about a considerable investment in space, and track length.

Also, how long do we really want flyers to be? 225 ft. in height on a B&M buys you an incredible amount of track length, and while it would be nice to expand the current B&M layout, how long would anyone really want to be flying around with all of their weight sitting on the restraints like that? For that reason I think they're definately a limit to how long flyers will ever get...

I don't know who you're talking to Matt, but everyone I have spoken to about S:UF at SFGAm loved it and wished it was longer and had more elements (and no, the people I spoke to about it were not enthusiasts).

Why does eveyone think WWL is going to go? They just repainted the entire ride and logos, gave it a new tin roof... Doesn't make much sense to spiff it up just to knock it down.

It doesn't make sense to remove WWL. The park needs a flume ride. If anything, I would think the rumor of removing the Antique Cars makes more sense. The ride would start there and head toward the area next to and in back of Thunder Canyon.

Air got much critism when if opened from us English enthusiasts for being dull, but as I have ridden it more and more I have grown to really enjoy it.

Once you realise the point of it isn't to thrill but to give you the sensation of flying, then you can appreciate the ride. You have swooping drops through tunnels and sections on your back that are different to anything out there. The point of a flyer is they don't need to be big the thrill is soring at 50mph face down only a couple of meteres above the ground.

Air now in its third season has well and truly taken the crown from Nemesis and Oblivion at the Towers, it always has the longest queues and my only critism of the ride is that it is too short.

To the person above that said flyers would loose there popularity in 10 years I would doubt it to be honest. In 3 years there are now 5 of them out there. I can't help but get the feeling Six Flags missed the point by just cloning them, they should fit onto the contours of the ground and if there aren't any contours then some sort of terrain should be built.

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aflack said:
You have swooping drops through tunnels and sections on your back that are different to anything out there.

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If there's one FLAW in our (stateside) flyers, it's the total LACK of tunnels...that would GREATLY improve the feel of flying in my opinion....

Modify the Vekoma layout, add tunnels (and lights and fog), throw on a Beema train, and voila!, the perfect flying coaster...

But I *do* have to agree that the flyers are yesterday's news already, and that CP *wood* be better off with something ELSE...;)

And just like that, Gator designed the perfect flyer and still understands their limited place in the market.

I must concur.

I agree with the posts that would rather see a quality wooden dueling coaster. Something of which CP is lacking, quality wood.

From an enthusiast standpoint, yes. From a business standpoint, I can't imagine how a wooden coaster (even dueling twisters a-la Lightning Racer) could help them as much as a new steel monster. As much as some people would like you to believe otherwise, at most parks, a new wooden coaster will not "wow" people. They look at it and think it must be bad because it's not hyper-fast, hyper-tall or have tons of loops. Bigger is better to most parkgoers. Why do you think many Pittsburghers who don't have at least a passing interest in coasters feel that Kennywood is a stupid park and would much rather go to Cedar Point or Geauga Lake? Because Kennywood's coasters are small and slow. CP's and GL's are fast and big, so they must be better, right?

Installing a wooden coaster at CP right now would be much like putting in Wicked Twister seemed to be. Now, not to say that 9 million is cheap, but comparitive to their usual spending habits, it was a "cheap" tie-over so they could say they put in something new. If people liked it, great, extra benefit. If not, they really didn't put that much into it anyway, so who cares. A wooden coaster is not going to be something they can market to a 500 mile radius and get on the Today show or even get the typical family of 4 to want to come ride. It would just be a pleasant surprise to come across in the park. And they're not going to build a mega-wooden coaster to try and put the wow factor back - they've already gotten burned once with that.

They've sort of backed themselves into a corner the same way Magic Mountain did with bigger, faster, taller, and if they don't smash some sort of record and make sure their newest mega-marketed attraction has some sort of "wow" factor, they're going to have a dud on their hands like Magic Mountain has with Scream (even though Scream is an excellent coaster, it has seemingly low ridership and is probably one of the first major coasters someone forgets about when talking Magic Mountain).

All that being said, I'd still like to see this Dueling Flyers concept - although I think it'd be a much more interesting experience careening through the valley behind Racer and Jackrabbit than it would be on the flats of Cedar Point ;)