CP lacks loops - CoasterBuzz

I don't mind the Blue Streak trains. To me a coaster is a coaster, and I try not to nit pick what the park has done, but more of what the park can do to make it better. I think Cedar Point should maybe build one mega looper. Thats it. Then they are done for loops, and focus more on new cutting edge technology.

As for loops, sure, I enjoy them, but if they want to appeal to families, then loops aren't the answer. They also have rides like Witches Wheel and Chaos. In my opinion, I think they need a Top Spin. Personally I think going upside down on flat rides can sometimes be more thrilling than going upside down on roller coasters.

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How many different kinds of inversions does you need? I think it appears that CP is lacking loops because of the ratio of looping to non-looping coasters. What they do have is variety. Personaly the only looper that I think they need to continue being diverse is a B&M flyer, which we know is not happening this year. I beleive we can agree that it is safe to say the new coaster is an Intamin rocket coaster, but who is to say it won't have inversions? I highly doubt it will be a clone of Xcelerator, so who knows elements it will have.

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I agree a lot of the GP don't like loops but their are also some people who prefer looping coasters to say something like Magnum because they don't like the ups and downs. I know someone who loves rides like Batman and Corkscrews but hates rides like Shivering Timbers. Everyone is different but for the most part a small percent of the GP are afraid of loops.

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Favorite Wood: Viper at SFGAM,Shivering Timbers
Favorie Steel: Magnum and Raging Bull

I think the only reason why Dorney Park's attendance is up so high now is because of Talon a Inverted looping coaster. People see the drop and the inversions alone and go to it. I see people reriding it and everyone who I knew went to Dorney Park said that Talon was fun and most of them overlooked Steel Force for some reason. They told me that SF only had 2 big hills and thats it. I guess a lot of people like inversions but not mostly adults. People tell me that Nitro is going to be wack because it dosn't have inversions but I don't think they say it anymore after they ride it. CP can get away withouth having a lot of coasters without inverisions because most of them is big. A park like DP can't really because the ones without inversions aren't anything spectacular unless they get something that break records or is as tall as Nitro or taller because people think SF is small when they see it. It really does look small until your on but some close minded people will pass it up becuase it has no inversions and it looks small from the ground.

genetic freak, I think it's safe to say this new coaster isn't going to have any inversions, especially if the height is actually going to be over 400. I mean, you would need at least a 200 ft. vertical loop, and would not be able to have any other inversions if the coaster isn't two miles long, or, (close your ears) they would need mid course brakes. After all, the vast majority of mega loopers are the arrow ones, which, even at half of the height of this coaster, use mid course brakes before they even use any inversions other than verticals. And, as many people have already said, the gp mostly doesn't like loops. I just don't see any inversions happening on this coaster, especially if the height rumors are correct.

Valleyfair is seriousely lacking in loops but I am not much of a loop person. Sure I'll ride a looper once or twice but I wouldn't ride them all the time like I would ride a good airtime machine like Shivering Timbers or Screechin Eagle.I think VF would be better off building a B&M inverted than the Intamin Impulse for the GP's sakes because we only have one tame looper. I'd rather have a Gravity Group or Intamin woodie more than anything else but this new ride is better than anything else VF has if they intended to run it to its full potential so I sure hope so!! I like the vertical spike versus the second twist better.

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An inversion is possible, but multiple inversions are extremely unlikely on a rocket coaster. Remember, a tophat (if it has one) can be on the outside like Xcelerator, or on the inside like the Chiller.

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*** This post was edited by geneticfreak on 9/3/2002. ***

Though a zero G roll or another twist maneuver would be entirely within the realm of possibility. Hell the only thing that keeps "overbanks" from being inversions is semantics.

rollergator said:

of course, I can always eat those Olestra-fries at BK or Hardees if I want to become nauseous....

They have Olestra fries now? I have never seen them.

I'm not scared if inversions....I'm terrified of dark rides. I dont like not being able to see whats going to happen next. FOF at PKI just about gave me a heart attack! (But once I rode it I loved it!!!)

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coaster895 said:
"I agree a lot of the GP don't like loops but their are also some people who prefer looping coasters to say something like Magnum because they don't like the ups and downs. "

I actually *do* wish that CP had more looping coasters. I kinda dread taking T to CP for that very reason. She loves the looping coasters, but is no fan of airtime or roughness (which means she'll absolutely HATE Magnum). I can see a trip to CP with her being limited to Mantis (aiight), Disaster Transport (decent) and Raptor (uggh!). Another looper would be okay in my book.

And BTW: I heard Mickey D's is switching to olestra as well!
lata,
jeremy
--who thinks a "perfect" fast-food chain meal would be a Big Bacon Classic from Wendy's, fries from BK, a shake from White Castle's and a hot fudge sundae with nuts from Ronald.

2hostyl is cholestorally-enhanced...;)...but WHY would a straight guy want Ronald's nuts?

I have to disagree with the people who say the GP does not like loops. It may be a stereo-type, but it is not always true.

Remeber on one of the recent roller coaster shows they showed that Elisa girl and her friend take a trip to SFMM. The kid did not like roller coasters but she made him ride them anyway. When he got to Goliath he was terrified. He didn't want to ride it and when he got off there was no way he was going back on. After that, he went on X without a care in the world and LIKED it.

Also, SFMM has been pretty successful with their two latest looping coasters (X, Deja Vu). Besides the down time, the GP seems to love them.

If the GP doesn't like loops then why is Raptor one of the most popular rides at CP?

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gator - I don't think it's a question of being gay or straight, but one of taste. Why would anyone be into Ronald's nuts? Ack.

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"The perfect machine, you seemed to be, when I built you up in my mind..." - Reverend Jon Autry

rollergator said:
WHY would a straight guy want Ronald's nuts?

LOL, ok I damn near fell off my chair. (yes, it takes very little to amuse me).

*** This post was edited by Antuan on 9/4/2002. ***

Look at it this way. There are, for the most part, two groups of coaster riders:

-those who will ride looping and non-looping rides;

-those who will ride non-looping rides.

There is no "people who ride looping rides but not non-looping rides" group. If you can ride a looping ride, you can ride a non-looping ride. So, technically, there's more people in the non-looping group.

Does that make any sense at all?

As far as Ronald McD goes, check out Grimace! I'd hit it! ;) ;) blech

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He let the contents of the bottle do the thinking; can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding.

Wow, Den. That is just too much information.

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"The perfect machine, you seemed to be, when I built you up in my mind..." - Reverend Jon Autry

Hey Den, did you even READ a word I wrote three posts before your last reply. Your looping, non-looping theory is wrong.

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"Life is like a roller coaster; there are ups and downs and it's over all too fast."

Rentzy - yes I read it and it doesn't mean squat. Goliath was that kid's first big ride; of course he was scared. After that, he wasn't so scared anymore.

I was scared when I rode my first big coaster (the Beast) but, an hour later, I wasn't scared at all when I rode my second big coaster, and first looping coaster, Vortex.

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He let the contents of the bottle do the thinking; can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding.

Den, personally I find your theory very compelling, and it seems to agree with the industry's take on things.....since they're in the business, I have to say there must be SOME truth to it....

oh, and chris.....if it's a "question of taste", wouldn't you have to at least TRY Ronald's nuts before giving an opinion either way....

*** This post was edited by rollergator on 9/4/2002. ***