CP lacks loops

Tuesday, September 3, 2002 11:55 AM
Has anyone else ever thought of this? Up untill 1994, CP had 11 coasters and only three inversions. Now they have 15 (going on 16) and have only 13. I think should stop focusing on breaking height and speed records and try to break an inversion record. Does anyone else agree with me?
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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 11:58 AM

No, because CP wants coasters that everyone will ride. Many people will not ride coasters with loops.

Besides, many parks lack loops. Kennywood has 5 adult coasters and no loops. Holiday World, no loops. Blackpool Pleasure Beach has, what, 15 coasters and only *ONE* loop.

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 12:33 PM

How do you say that many people will not ride coasters with loops? People love loops! Maybe people are just as afraid of a 300ft. coaster as they are of one with inversions. Why wouldn't they be? Look at the success of Raptor. That ride has 6 loops and the people love it. You would think CP would feed off of this success and get another looper.

Now the new coaster is rumored to break speed and height records. I'm looking forward to that. However, you think the people who are too afraid to ride a coaster with loops are going to love a coaster that could potentially go over 100m.p.h.?

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 12:38 PM

No, loops are pretty much the gp's biggest fear. I have no idea why seeing as a 300' drop would be a hellofa lot more exhilerating than a dinky loop. Every time I've been to a park with a looping coaster I have heard a feared person say (does it go upside down?!) I don't know what goes through a "loopphobe's" mind but that is the case.

And another park (which contrary to my name, it is my favorite theme park) that has no loops is Indiana Beach.

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 1:47 PM

Cases in point: My wife, my mom and my dad.

My wife loves Millennium Force but does not enjoy looping rides. My mom and dad will NOT ride looping rides, though my dad loves Magnum.

Last time I went to PKI with my parents (1992), my dad rode the Beast several times, but when I made him ride Vortex, he literally turned green and rode nothing else the rest of the day. He did not ride a coaster again until 2000. Ha.

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 1:50 PM

I'm going to have to agree about people being afraid of loops. When I was in line for magnum two weeks ago a woman said "This thing doesn't go upside down does it? If it does, I'm not riding." Then the person I was with when I was at kentucky kingdom didn't mind the height of chang, she just didn't want to go upside down. Now that's only two examples, but I know there are a lot of other people who are afraid of loops. By the way, I think not too long ago on here someone mentioned that parks lose half of their riders when a ride has a loop. I personally don't really mind loops. They are okay, but I think they are a little overrated.

*** This post was edited by Atrace on 9/3/2002. ***

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 1:51 PM

The older you get, the less tolerance you have for inversions. My Dad, who at 65 is still an enthusiast, can no longer handle rides such as Riddler as the inversions make him sick. But give him a non-looping coaster and he'll marathon like the best of 'em.

But its not just the old. I have plenty of non-enthusiast friends who like coasters but don't like going upside down out of either fear or sickness.

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 1:57 PM

One of those science-y RC shows said that the tiny hairs in your ears (OK, some of you may have larger ones, LOL) become stiff and brittle as we age, and that leaves us with less ability to handle changes in speed and direction without becoming nauseous.....of course, I can always eat those Olestra-fries at BK or Hardees if I want to become nauseous....

Looping is cool, and I could do verticals until the (South Park) Cows come home....but I am way less tolerant of corkscrews, cobra rolls, and the like than I was only 5 years ago....

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 1:57 PM

Hymmm, and yet SFMM is up 6 percent this year because of a coaster called X, which not only loops, but spins regardless.

There is really no way to speak for millions of GP that attends parks every year. Some like loops, some don't. Also keep in mind(I shouldn't do this) that the US will break the inversion record next year and I'd say it's more of an individual park decision that can change year to year.

You can't just wrap it up in a neat little box and say what the GP will and will not ride. When you add loops to a coaster, you lose a certain segment of the riding public, and guess what? You also gain a segment. :)

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 2:35 PM

I also think there is a psychological factor involved with looping coasters. I've seen first hand lines for great loopers be very short while lines for non-loopers are at at max cap.

Dorney is a great example - every single visit this year Steel Force's line is roughly twice as long as Talon's. Perhaps the fact that Talon is an invert also adds something but I've seens this at many parks. Just take 15 minutes and wander around a looping coaster listening to comments, then do the same a a bigger more intense non-looper in the same park. It just seems most folks can be intimidated by loopers.

I honestly could care less about inversions. I just thought about my personal favorites and if I had to make a top ten list then 7 or 8 of those ten wouldn't have inversions.

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 2:37 PM
Yes, GP is afraid of loops, rentzy387. I took 40 highschool kids to CP. Many had never ridden a coaster. All 40 rode Millennium Force. At least 10 did not ride a looping ride.

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 2:44 PM

I think people are over-thinking this. CP has several looping coasters, and Raptor still has the longest non-MF line in the park. These people obviously aren't afraid of loops.

Bottom line: Most parks have looping coasters up the ying yang, and have move on to something different.

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 2:59 PM
CP doesn't lack loops, they lack quality wood.

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 3:24 PM
First of all, Blue Streak is a great ride. It is #11 on my top 20. However, they could use some more wood. Second, some people can't handle inversions. My mother has been on every hyper/giga coaster on the Northeast coast (except at SFDL) with her hands up. She goes on every wood coaster she has seen, but she can't take more than 4 inversions or so per ride. Even afterwards, she can't ride for a while. Inversions can induce nausea and intimidation in the GP.

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 3:58 PM

Some people can't take a flatride that spins either, that shouldn't stop them from being built. As I've said already, most parks have all the loopers they need, and are rounding out the collections with other rides.

If a looping coaster makes you sick, don't ride it. The 2 hour plus lines for Raptor proves that plenty of people do.

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 4:03 PM

OutKast said:
CP doesn't lack loops, they lack quality wood.

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Amen! One "pretty good" woodie with acceptable but unnecessary train modifications at the world's best amusement park just isn't enough!

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 6:12 PM
I won't comment about the inversions, because the answer is pretty obvious. As for Blue Streak, what was the reasoning behind modifying the trains? I mean, if anything, it slows down the efficiency, and I sure do miss actually going off the seat on that coaster...
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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 6:20 PM

Insurance reasons were behind castrating Blue Streak I believe. The only Cedar Fair woodie that I am aware of that still has Buzz Bars is Thunderhawk.

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 6:21 PM
Loops don't make a coaster the best. They are an added feature. I would get a coaster with 3 great airtime hills other than a coaster with 10 loops.

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Tuesday, September 3, 2002 6:28 PM
Why would they need more coasters with inversions? they have raptor. all you have to do is what i do, ride it like 10 times in and hour, then you have been flipped upside down 60 times. They also have mantis which isnt a half bad coaster.
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