Saturday, June 8, 2002 8:13 AM

Well I have planned my first trip to CP on June 24 and 25 and I am having some second thoughts. While I hear nothing but good things about the PARK, I've started thinking to myself, "so, after I ride MF and Magnum, what is there left?" People bash Mantis because they trim the drop, people bash Mean Streak because there is no variance in forces and that it is very rough, people bash Magnum because it is rougher than ever, Raptor sounds good, but I've ridden Alpengiest and I must say that I was anticipointed (great word baSSiSSt!), so I don't know how much I can like Raptor, Blue Streak looks descent, Gemini I hear almost nothing about and the others I've ridden similar rides or I have heard next to nothing about.

So my question is, for all those people who say that CP is the best and at the same time bash almost all their coasters, are they really as bad as you make them sound because I'm starting to rethink this and wishing that I would've taken the Indiana Trip to HW and IB, reassure my decision please, tell me that it really is worthwhile and clarify the "definitions" of the coasters that I listed above. Thankyou!

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Elijah Rock.
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La Vie Boheme!!!

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 8:21 AM
While I have never been to CP. I still plan on attending, despite people's opinions. That's what they are opinions. I wouldn't let what they say effect your going or not going to the park. Go to the park ride all the coasters and make that decision yourself. Because truly the only person's opinion that should count is your own. It was discussed in an earlier forum that everyone has their own opinion about rides. It's a personal preference. Take me for example I loved SFGAm, but I will probably never step foot on Shockwave again. It is the worst coaster I ever rode. While others love this ride. That is there opinion and they are entitled to it. My brother loved Shockwave. Go ride have a great time!

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 8:25 AM

Mantis' trim on the 137 foot drop still allows you to peak at just above 60 mph, and it makes the loop a little smoother. Mantis is still a great ride and I hear few bad things about it. Magnum is still my favorite ride in the park, and I can't say anything negative about it. I haven't hit Mean Streak this year, though, so I'm not sure about it...but I've heard the ride is alot rougher and the trim is annoying on the ride. Disaster Transport has a new set of 3D effects this year, with the red and blue cardboard glasses things for like a buck I believe it was.

Don't forget the 300 foot S&S steel ride that shoots ya 240 feet into the air at 55MPH...who could forget Power Tower? Hehe...

The park is thrilling, and the coasters aren't always TOP quality...but they make for an extremely thrilling day at the park.

Alan--PTC02

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 8:28 AM

Dude, CP is a great park. Of about 6 parks I like CP the best! There are so many rides and nothing comes close to CP. Even if there are long lines, just hang out and watch the wonderful coasters run. There is even a fast merry go round type thing that is never full. I sat on there for a while when it was hot and crowded. Mean Streak isn't that bad, just ride Gemini instead for about 10 times without getting up. There are about 8 rides that are worth getting on. MF, Mantis, PT-U/D, Raptor, Gemini, WT, and M-Xl. Hope you have fun and don't cancel this one in a lifetime trip.

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Hypersonic where are you?

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 8:36 AM

Cedar Point is a great park. Not becuase it's my homepark, but becuase the industry says this. It says alot that Cedar Point has the Golden Ticket Award for Best Park for four years in a row. Indeed, some of the rides are rough, and some of them are trimmed, but it won't take away from the fun you'll have if you experience the whole park.

It sounds like you are going to the park just for the rollercoasters. That's fine, that's what I did at first for my trips. Just remember that coasters aren't everything. There are other thrill rides and flat rides as well. Power Tower is a must try if you're into airtime and thrills. If you are getting tired of walking around the park, give yourself a break the take the train around the back of the park. When you're hungry, try an A/C restaurant like Macaroni's or Chuck Wagon Inn. When it's a hot and humid day, cool yourself off on Snake River Falls, White Water Landing, or Thunder Canyon. Cedar Point's Live Entertainment cannot go unsaid as well. Grab a map and check out the schedules for the various shows and take the time for the entertainment. If you don't want to wait in long lines for MF and WT, go in the morning before noon and get your hand stamped for Freeway and come back at the designated time to wait 20 minutes.

It's not just the rollercoasters that make the park, they do make most of the marketing and it's a great way to attract you there. However, what makes the park is your overall experience, and Cedar Point has done a pretty good job to make your experience as well-rounded and as good as it can be. I really hope you do keep your plans and go and enjoy the park.

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 8:38 AM
CP isn't the best park IMO but it has a nice collection of high quality steel. Magnum is still the top ride in the park IMHO while Millennium, Raptor and Mantis all offer their own unique rides.

As for why the negativity, well, some people are *never* happy. CP is a mega park and has something for almost everyone. Their wood collection is sadly lacking in coparison to the steel end of things (though MS *used to* run exceptionally, about 9 years ago that is...) but Blue Streak still has some zip and the great selection of steelies *almost* makes up for it.

Given the choice between a trip to Indiana and CP I'd usually go with Indiana but look at it this way, I've been to CP at least once every year for the past 16 years or so, where you have *never* been. Every park is worth at least one visit and the Indiana parks will still be there next year. I'd *never* regret a decision to visit *any* new park.
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Saturday, June 8, 2002 8:41 AM
No, if I was going just for the coasters, I would not be going for two days, I don't want to be rushed and miss rides like Power Tower and Chaos, and stuff like that. I've gotten the brochure and I was already sure that I COULD NOT miss the train, it looks spectacular. I am not just a rollercoaster person, I was last year before my trip to BGW and that has changed everything with the scenery, food, Escape to Pompeii and the blank Cradle, can't think of the name. I just pointed out the coasters because I can experience that other stuff nearby instead of driving 6-8 hours for it.

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Tuesday's Gone With The Wind.
Elijah Rock.
Is it written in the stars?
La Vie Boheme!!!

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 8:43 AM
don' take anyones opinions, i mean that you have to experience the park and the coasters yourself before you can really know how its like, everyone has different oppinions!

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 8:45 AM

Forget your worries and just go to CP. I live in Phx and have gone there this year and last year. I don't particularly like MeanStreak, Mantis, IRON DRAGON or Magnum; but I still spent four days there and had a great time doing so. And I rode Mantis (1), MeanStreak (2), IRON Dragon (1) and Magnum (2). The mine Ride is average mine ride, but fun enough. Wildcat is a great little mouse coaster. Bluestreak is impressive for it's small frame and old age. Raptor is a good ride. It may be similar to Alpengeist, but does that mean you won't like it? Wicked Twister is good. I like Disaster Transport and rode it many times. Gemini is OK, but steps up a notch when it is racing. Power Tower, with two different experiences is two different rides, one shoots you UP and one drops you DOWN. And Millenium Force is the #1 ride on Earth (IMO). There are also many flat rides to jump on, a flume, a shoot the chute, and a river rapids.

In short, I am pretty sure you'll find enough to keep you amused at the park.

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My other car is now an Arrow X4D!

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 8:51 AM

Forget your worries, LMAO, sorry reminded me of the Subaru Forrester guy "No Worries Mate"

Yet another corny comment from SFGAmDie_Hard

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Tuesday's Gone With The Wind.
Elijah Rock.
Is it written in the stars?
La Vie Boheme!!!

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 8:52 AM

Cedar point is an excellent park, i would go there above any of the six flags chain of parks. hers my ride rating.

Raptor: 5 out of 5. IMHO the best in the park

Mantis: 5 out of 5. i dont care what anyone says, this ride is awesome.

Blue Streak: 5 out of 5. lots of airtime, fairly smooth.

Mill. Force: 4 out of 5. i liked it, but magnum is better.

Magnum: 5 out of 5. just ride it.

Corkscrew: 2 oput of 5. it has its ups and downs, one down would be MAJOR HEADACHE!!!!

Iron dragon: 2 out of 5. lame.

wildcat: 3 out of 5. wicked little ride.

Mean Streak: 2 out of 5. great speed but it is too damn rough, with little airtime, and dont let me get started on the trims.....

Disaster Transport: 4 out of 5. i dont care how small it is, i still like it.

Wicked Twister: havnt ridden yet.

Cedar Creek Mine Ride: 2 out of 5. end helix is the best park of the ride.

Gemini: 5 out of 5. This ride is awesome, great headchoppers and speed, and airtime. instant classic.

well, theres my opinion, just go and find out for yourself.

*** This post was edited by B&M_Lover on 6/8/2002. ***

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 9:31 AM
Here's my take on this...

Mean Streak is excellent in the back seat. My friends and I were at the park about a little over a week ago and though my friends don't like Mean Streak, they actually liked it sitting towards the back.

Mantis is good if you know how to ride it, thanks to Jeff. Keep your feet towards the back of the seat on the floor and lean into the harness. You don't get as rough a ride.

Raptor is always rated better than Alpengeist (I'll find out about Alpie in a couple of weeks). The back seat is quite intense and is so far the best invert I've been on.

Yes, Magnum is a little rough in spots but still one heck of a coaster. Don't miss out on it.

Gemini, if you sit in seat 2-3, you get some nice air time on some of the hills. Gemini is a classic at CP.

Blue Streak is running well this year.

Besides who cares if some of the coasters are less than thrilling (i.e. Iron Dragon, Corkscrew, Mine Ride, and Wildcat) just enjoy them for what they are. CP is one of just a few well rounded parks in what they offer.

X Factor

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 9:42 AM
Dude , you should go and draw your own conclusions about the park.

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 10:03 AM

Go with what you think...form you're own opinion. I hear so much crap about SFWoA but everytime I go I have a great time, I must be magical or something...no...I just don't ***** and complain about every little thing. I go to have fun and that's what I do.

So many enthusiasts think they know so much about a park and they go and critique it...who wants to go to a park with someone who's complaining the whole time? Enjoy what you have and have a great time. The formula's never failed me yet.

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"Tea & Cake Or Death?-Eddie Izzard"~My No Limits Designs...http://coastergames.net/author.php?author=BKF%20Master

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 10:21 AM

Don't hesitate to go to CP. CP has at minimum six world class rides in Millennium Force, Magnum, Raptor, Mantis, Power Tower (which is 2 rides in itself), and Wicked Twister. About the Raptor vs. Alpengeist thing - ride Raptor and then judge. I rode Alpie in '97 and loved it, but then I rode Raptor in '98 and loved that. Then went back to Alpie in '99 and was disappointed. To be honest, if Magnum weren't my sentimental favorite, Raptor is probably the best ride in the park - ahead of MF - it's one of the best B&M inverteds most likely. In addition to this, Gemini is also an awesome ride and rarely has any wait. Blue Streak can satisfy you're craving for wood, although I'd love to see a CCI or GCI at the Point. Mean Streak isn't very good, but oh well. Then there are other coasters like Mine Ride, Corkscrew, Disaster Transport, Wildcat, etc that are all fun for the family. They have a good sized collection of flats, three kiddie areas, good live entertainment, good, but overpriced food, and the best ride operations in the industry. They truely do have something for everyone and have a coaster collection that most parks can't hold a stick to. Just go - I don't want to lift your expectations up too high, but I was amazed when I first went to CP in '98. It blew away previous parks I'd been to at the time like SF Great Adventure, Great Escape, Riverside (SFNE), SF Darien Lake, PKD, etc. I love Busch Gardens Williamsburg because of the scenery and beauty, but if you want to ride, go to CP!

I almost guarantee you will get chills when you make the curve past the ghetto employee housing on the causeway and the CP skyline comes into view. It is like seeing the gates of heaven to a coaster lover! :) I still get chills and I drove up that causeway about 100 times last year! I can't wait for my next trip on July 12.

-Matt
2001 Magnum Crew

*** This post was edited by MDOmnis on 6/8/2002. ***

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 11:13 AM

If you get bored at a park with 15 coasters that includes Magnum, Millennium Force, Raptor and Wicked Twister, I doubt you'd have much fun anywhere.

And major props to Blue Streak which is getting more rides from me than years.

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"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 11:23 AM
Definitely go. Opinions are opinions and yours may very well differ from others' after your visit. So I suggest you get out there and experience it for yourself. After all, while people may not agree on which park has the best collection of coasters, Cedar Point is always brought up in that discussion.

-Nate

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 11:24 AM

I think you should go and enjoy the park. Then after your trip you have your OWN opinions rather than everyone else's. Why cancel your first trip to one on the best parks in the world based on opinions you read on the internet or hear from others? Go to CP so you can have your own opinion, then decide if you want to return.

-Craig

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 11:31 AM

Let me just respond to this interesting (dare I say "foolish") hesitation about visiting CP by saying that Cedar Point enjoys absolute prominence amongst park goers; it logically follows that it will be under the most scrutiny. Just look at these message boards and you are sure to see something about the park (be it good or bad) nearly every day.

Similarly, look at the Star Wars movies (Episodes I and II for instance) - there is SO MUCH HYPE leading up to the release of these movies that many people are bound to be disappointed. They are excellent movies, but when you get a large group of people expecting the inachieveable, some people are going to be disappointed with the results. And I don't care how good the movies are.

Tell me you wouldn't be pleased to death if a "Mantis" clone were built at your home park (wherever that is). Sure, it doesn't compare to Millennium Force, and not much does these days. And that's okay - Cedar Point doesn't need any "anchor" coasters to keep you happy - any of them can be closed and you will still have a better time than you could have anywhere else (for instance, on my first visit to CP this year, Millennium Force was closed, but I still had an excellent time anyway).

You would have to be pretty naive to think that you're not going to have fun at Cedar Point, or that any of the other Indiana parks that you mentioned would provide you with the same experience you'll get at Cedar Point.

P.S. Raptor v/s Alpengeist - that's easy, the choice is Raptor. Raptor v/s Nemesis or Montu, well, that's a more difficult choice.....

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Saturday, June 8, 2002 11:38 AM

You should go to Cedar Point. It's an amazing place. I went a couple years ago and I'm very envious of the people who live within three hours of it. I'm all the way over here in Maryland. The views from the coasters are breathtaking - lake, shore, point, beautiful. I almost couldn't care as much about the detailed quality of the coasters, because the environment, the scenery is just wonderful - a great coaster, even a good coaster, at cedar point is on the same level as a mediocre coaster at any other park. I can't wait to get back there. Next time, it'll be for more than one day!

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