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Without taking stock into whether or not this rumor is true, I can comment on how the other coasters could come through unscathed. First off, you cannot compare B:TC with FoF (or any mad cobra) as the Cobra rides should actually go *faster* if indeed the train is lighter.
Second, you cannot compare B:TC with Robin:TC because Robin doesnt have the tophat. On the backwards trek, Robin needs less speed to make it through the cobra roll than Batman needs to make it through the top hat simply because the cobra roll is shorter.
No, the only "fair" comparison would be with Mr. Freeze. And even *that* has a few differences. Most importantly, Mr. Freeze drops from a higher height, and therefore will carry more speed throughout the backwards trek. Perhaps that difference in speed is enough to let Mr. Freeze work, but not B:TC. Also, does anyone know what the heights of the tophats are?
Bottom line, I dont *think* this is the real problem, *but* I am confident that the original calculations for B:TC were done with the OTSR'ed trains weight (mass) in mind, if switching to lapbars significantly changed this weight (mass), then I am sure that Premier would have compensated somehow (any good engineer would :))
lata,
jeremy
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Besides, if we were really shutting down people we disagreed with, would Jeremy (2Hostyl) still be around? :) I think not. - Jeff 1/24/02
I think batmans top hat is around 120 feet, maybe a little less. I know Mr. Freeze is about 140 or 150.
But, take into account Mr. Freeze has a Vertical spike. The speed generated by vertical spikes is monsterous compared to Chillers 57 degree spike.
Question: I remember hearing that Chiller was supposed to have vertical spikes as well. For proof, if you have te "Roller Coasters: US and Canada" directory book (invertigo on cover), under the Chiller page, it says the ride sets a record for 90 degree drops.
But, the speed generated on the return trip would rip your head off in the cobra roll. So, the inclines were built. Can anyone confirm this?
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How much more floorless can they get?
It doesn't seam like it matters how steap it is, as the only speed generated is from the launch. On a less steap incline, the train would make it higher, giving it an equal speed as a vertical spike on the return.
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GreatAdventureAddict said
Question: I remember hearing that Chiller was supposed to have vertical spikes as well. For proof, if you have te "Roller Coasters: US and Canada" directory book (invertigo on cover), under the Chiller page, it says the ride sets a record for 90 degree drops.
But, the speed generated on the return trip would rip your head off in the cobra roll. So, the inclines were built. Can anyone confirm this?
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I don't think that's the reason....They could put LIMS on the spike to control the speed. I always wondered why they didn't have vertical spike also....maybe Gadv wanted to be different
*** This post was edited by Antuan on 4/17/2002. ***
Don't doubt me. I have plenty of great sources inside the park. Oh, and that damn land clearing I NEVER SAID WAS BY THE DAMN LOG FLUME, YOU FLURKING IDIOT! It's across the lake...behind the Dolphin arena. Why don't you read some things before doubting, huh?
Oh, and the new wheels are soft wheels, not hard. They allow the train to move faster. Don't believe me? Go ask any mechanic at the park.
Then I guess 97.86435% of the stuff on this site came out a horse's A@#.
Just Kidding everyone.
Peabody, I knew Great Adventure was getting a Thrillshot and for some funny reason no one believed me. Hum....oh what do you know! They are getting one! After 3 deleted post we all had to find out the long way.
Sarcasm people.
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Coaster131, if he wants to doubt you, he can! Dont go flipping out on someone cause they dont believe you. Your information may very well just be rumors. You say you have reliable sources, but do you honestly expect half the people here to believe that. Most rumors are backed up by that same exact saying. Sheesh.......and what the heck, who says flurking?
nitro230ft said:
Then I guess 97.86435% of the stuff on this site came out a horse's A@#.
That's not far from the truth. Look back through past threads and you'll see an amazing amount of crap. It's not this site either. There's actually less of it , and that's one of the reasons it's so popular.
Want proof? Look at the large number of people over the last 6 months that said 100% they knew that Tomb Raider wasn't a Top Spin and said stuff like how they couldn't wait to see the faces of those who said it was when they ride it. So many people had "sources" who confirmed it wasn't a Top Spin! Look at what it turned out to be!
Some people do have acurate info, but for anything substantial is usually, as Jeff says, "Those who know don't tell, those who tell don't know" It's been proven time ande time again over the years.
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- Peabody
Obviously, if just light weight is an issue the train can be easily ballasted. Having ridden with the Premier lap and foot bars, I doubt that they are much lighter than the OTSR's any way.
The problems could be in a couple of other areas as well. First, I strongly suspect that the mods to Robin went beyond just the restraints. When I rode FOF at PKD with the new lap bars, the lateral jerks were still there, they just didn't cause pain since there was nothing to hit your head on. When I rode Robin with the lap bars the lateral jerks seemed to be completely gone. It had become one of the smoothest coasters that I have ridden. I suspect that changes were made to the running gear as well as the restraints. There could be problems with the new running gear or it's compatibility with the track. Has anyone seen any signs of welding on the track?
Of course, there could also be problems with the controls or LIMs. LIMs and their controls are always difficult.
Coaster131 said:
Don't doubt me. I have plenty of great sources inside the park. Oh, and that damn land clearing I NEVER SAID WAS BY THE DAMN LOG FLUME, YOU FLURKING IDIOT! It's across the lake...behind the Dolphin arena. Why don't you read some things before doubting, huh?
Bugging the heck out of park employees, mechanics, supervisors, whatever... is *not* the way to go about finding park news. All it does is make you seem like a nosy pain in the rear. I hear stories about your type *all* the time at the park. Don't you kids have anything better to do than tie up the park phone lines, email the hell out of the park, and bug the hell out of everyone with a Six Flags name tag everytime you's wanna know "what's new in ______ or whatever?" Damn....sorry for picking on you Kyle, but everyone gets a little sick of it after a while. Log Flume, Dolphin arena...no matter, it's not related to any new attraction anyway...
GreatAdventureAddict said:
I think batmans top hat is around 120 feet, maybe a little less. I know Mr. Freeze is about 140 or 150.
But, take into account Mr. Freeze has a Vertical spike. The speed generated by vertical spikes is monsterous compared to Chillers 57 degree spike.
Question: I remember hearing that Chiller was supposed to have vertical spikes as well. For proof, if you have te "Roller Coasters: US and Canada" directory book (invertigo on cover), under the Chiller page, it says the ride sets a record for 90 degree drops.
But, the speed generated on the return trip would rip your head off in the cobra roll. So, the inclines were built. Can anyone confirm this?
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How much more floorless can they get?
Batman's top hat is 139ft I think Mr. Freeze is the same, and Robins Cobra roll is 105ft. I think the reason they didn't install the spike is because they have the in line twist there, and you know dropping from a 200ft spikedown into a in line twist wouldn't be fun especially when they had the OTSR the G's would probably be too high. I guess they made the incline less steep so it can go into the inline twist smoothly and produce some air time other wise if the in line twist wasn't there, they proably would of put the spike. I like it with the extra inversion that has some air, even though I will like to see how it feels to go up straight into the sky and fall straight back down.
Corey, back me up here. Please, tell that idiot RobCoasting I'm not lying about anythingon Chiller.
Oh, and I don't go around buggin employees. Half of my friends work there and, oh, wait a minute, I WORK THERE, TOO!
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-Kyle Brylczyk
KoRn - Untouchables, June 11th, 2002
Coaster131 said:
Corey, back me up here. Please, tell that idiot RobCoasting I'm not lying about anythingon Chiller.
Oh, and I don't go around buggin employees. Half of my friends work there and, oh, wait a minute, I WORK THERE, TOO!
Right on...
Besides, ride ops and hourly employees know little more than the average park guest or enthusiast. And yeah, I know that you work there....in a leasee's arcade.....big deal.
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