B&M Dive coaster for Cedar Point in 2016?

Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:17 PM

Does anyone else find it strange that, if this is true, they would in 3 out of 4 years embark on projects that are all offering similar experiences? 2 of them being brand new thrilling, high impact, non-family coasters and 1 of them being a reworked and marketed as a new experience on a thrilling, high impact, non-family coaster?

Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:31 PM
Jeff's avatar

I'll never understand this line of thinking. I mean, where do you draw the line? All coasters have wheels, so isn't it all the same experience?

Not only that, but in the same time, they've completely overhauled a 100-year-old hotel, added more cabins to Lighthouse Point, added a popular night time show, added a wine bar, completely replaced the front gate... these are not trivial cap ex projects.

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Wednesday, January 14, 2015 5:15 PM
Walk-Off HBP's avatar

Beyond the actual "dive" element, Wing Coasters and Dive Machines give a very similar ride experience- probably more so than any two other types IMO.

The trick was to surrender to the flow.

Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:12 PM
Tommytheduck's avatar

And I would opinionate that the rollover drop of GK is way more thrilling than the "hold and drop" of a Dive Machine.

Sounds like this proposal is just one of many possibilities that are being kicked around. For all we know, the theater is just being retrofitted to a new state of the art 37-D theater, or something. (in a row?)

(edit: looks like demolition is confirmed.)

But if they are planning a major new coaster in that spot, I'm actually quite disappointed, because I was really hoping that a "Texas Gianting" of Mean Streak (to use my son's words) would be their next big project. I honestly can't think of anything I'd like to see more at CP than that.

Last edited by Tommytheduck, Thursday, January 15, 2015 2:46 PM
Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:08 PM

It's not my home park, but I'd be kinda disappointed too. It is still something new, which is much more than my CF park can say, and it is still from a world class designer. However, I think along the "similar" experience line as well. Sure, it looks neat and different, but the ride is typically very similar in feeling to other floorless B&Ms (except smoother and more boring). I'm always enthusiass-tic to be proven wrong, and I'm always excited to hear about the birth of ANY new coaster, but...meh.

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Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:24 PM

Maybe they'll paint it red.

Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:34 PM
sirloindude's avatar

I thought that having two rides of a similar or borderline identical style at the same park was a bad idea.

I then rode Behemoth and Leviathan. ;)

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Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:32 PM
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I've ridden Griffon several times and I'll be riding Shiekra in a few weeks. I don't dislike dive coasters...but the only way I'd be excited to get one at CP (one of my favorite parks) is if it offered a significantly longer layout than we've seen.

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Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:42 PM
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Griffon is one of my favorite coasters. One of the greatest roller coaster moments of my life is hanging there, hundreds of feet from the ground, waiting for the ride to let go and plummet down the drop. The slow moving, yet brief view you get from the top is awesome too.

If Cedar Point built something like that, I'd be very excited, for sure.

Last edited by LostKause, Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:43 PM
Thursday, January 15, 2015 11:39 PM
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I've only ridden Griffon and really enjoyed it, but I'm a little surprised that this "might" be built.

I'm thinking it's a go because; A: Though a newspaper reported it, they did get the layout right when they leaked Gatekeeper and B: The park responded to the article, which I've noticed in the past, they wouldn't do if the rumor was false; and C: These are stats to market the tallest, fastest, longest Dive Coaster, which really sound legit. Oh, and $15 Million sounds a bit low to some, but that might just be for the ride itself and not include the installation, and other labor it takes to build a coaster. (maybe $21 Million in the end... maybe, I'm no numbers guy)

Getting back to my earlier point, because, let's say it is in fact a go, I'm surprised this would happen for 16' because of the Rougouru launch for this year and it seems as though this is a pretty expensive capital expenditure as we are still coming off the $30 Million Gatekeeper and new entrance, not to mention the other improvements and refurbishments. Plus, the overall economy is still in the toilet, but Ohio is getting much better with our economy, mainly due to hydraulic fracking in northeast Ohio.

Of course, I for one was hoping that something was going to be done with the other "uncomfortable" ride in the park, Mean Streak, before something entirely new was going to be built on the coaster front, but I welcome this.

My wishlist*:
• Raze Mean Streak and build a GCII Dueling 'Lightning Racer' in its place.
• Build a Larson Super Loop coaster (why not)
• Drop ride off of Dragster
• Dark Ride
• Spinning family coaster/Wild Mouse

* for entertainment only

Last edited by john peck, Friday, January 16, 2015 7:31 AM
Friday, January 16, 2015 4:36 AM

Sounds like you should go to Six Flags and quit wasting wishes!

Friday, January 16, 2015 7:40 AM
john peck's avatar

^ Some of that was for fun. But I am serious about a Mean Streak replacement in the form of a Lighting Racer... it's just such a great ride and would fit nicely into that corner.

Friday, January 16, 2015 9:33 AM
Raven-Phile's avatar

I want RMC to get their sick, twisted paws all over Mean Streak.

That's what I want.

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Friday, January 16, 2015 9:52 AM
matt.'s avatar

I don't really get wingriders (I mean....they're fine. Wild Eagle is better than Gatekeeper but I wouldn't call either great) but I do really like Griffon, so whatever CP, I'm down. It will go in the bucket of coasters I want to do once or twice per trip at CP - Dragster, WT, Gatekeeper, Iron Dragon - while I'm otherwise concentrating on the rides I could ride all day - MF, Maggie, Gemini, Raptor, Maverick...heck even Blue Streak.

Anybody know what the drop dead date on this sort of thing generally is? I would think for a major capital expansion, Cedar Point would have their new coaster for 2016 pretty much locked in by January 2015. Is that a bad assumption? What is the latest the contract can be signed to get the project complete by opening day 2016?

Friday, January 16, 2015 10:05 AM

Lightning Racer, no. Yes, a fun ride but not phenomenal by any stretch of the imagination. Besides, Cedar Point already has a coaster that races, so I'm very, very certain (in fact I just KNOW) they'd never build something so similar.

I'm with Josh on this one. RMC + Mean Streak? Hell yes. Frankly I'm a little surprised that seems to not be the plan for '16.

Friday, January 16, 2015 10:12 AM

Double Post:

And matt., I'd say that's a fair assumption. Or maybe even sooner, really. If this project comes to pass maybe removal of the cinema is early prep and sometime into the coming season they'll start construction. Kind of like they did with Maverick.
Or at least infrastructure. B&M rides go up rather fast once everything's ready to go, right? Lately it seems an off-season is plenty of time.

Friday, January 16, 2015 10:32 AM
Jeff's avatar

It's strange how divisive Lightning Racer can be. I've found it fantastic on my visits, but then, we had mind-blowing ERT one year for CoasterBuzzCon back in the day.

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Friday, January 16, 2015 10:54 AM
Thabto's avatar

I think an RMC for Mean Streak would be a better fit for 2016 since that is Mean Streak's 25th anniversary. The dive could coaster would be a great addition for the parks 150th anniversary. This year and next year could be lower cost conversions, which would help the park not spend so much on their ride budget and save for something huge on the park's milestone anniversary.


Friday, January 16, 2015 11:37 AM
matt.'s avatar

LR is soooo goood. Maybe not as great as it was its first few opening years but still sooooo good. I think it splits the "thrilling" vs "giggly fun" difference very well, similar to Phoenix and a few other mid-sized woodies. Maybe its just not hardcore enough for some.

Friday, January 16, 2015 3:48 PM
rollergator's avatar

LR might not be the most thrilling coaster ride in existence....but it's way better than average, and once you add in the lights, the smell of chocolate, the near-perfect racing aspect, it more than adds up to a world-class *attraction*.


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