B&M Dip n' Dive? - CoasterBuzz

Have you ever heard that R-r-rrr as an Arrow/Morgan/Non - B&M hyper comes off the lift? The small dip prevents it from doing that. (damaging the chain)

Also, it makes the first drop better for the front, on most straight dives the front of the train doesn't get as much of a drop, it starts to speed up once the end of the train gets to the top, it's just to make the first drop better I think.

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I prefer the regular first drop. AC feels a lot slower drop than Nitro and it is only 7 mph less.

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I've been on quite a bit on B&M coasters and usually the back gets yanked over the crest of the hill. This happens on Medusa at SFGAdv. However, when I rode BTDK at SFNE this did not happen. I think it's because the lift hill is so steep and because there are only 7 cars as opposed to the usual 8, there fore, i don't think that it makes the first drop better. So, what is the point of the "dip and dive?"

It depends I'm not too familliar with the undersides of B&M trains but could it be possible that the train attached itself to the lift chain in such a way that the little dip was the way it released?

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Yes but now there are tracks without dips. I've only been on Nitro. How is Apollo's Chariot and Raging Bull? Does the dip n' dive make the drop better?

Oh hell yeah! Raging Bull definitely has the best B&M drop ever in the back row. The dip just gives it that extra speed and the quickness that it reaches the steepest angle tosses you out of your seat like no other.

I wish they would go back to the B&M dip on the hypers as Nitro and Silver Star don't have nearly as good of drops as Bull.

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Legendary said:

Oh hell yeah! Raging Bull definitely has the best B&M drop ever in the back row. The dip just gives it that extra speed and the quickness that it reaches the steepest angle tosses you out of your seat like no other.
I wish they would go back to the B&M dip on the hypers as Nitro and Silver Star don't have nearly as good of drops as Bull.
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completely agree 100%

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(the first drop was awesome) other than that uhhhhh good riddance

I hate to disagree but Batman Knight Flight in the back row kills Raging Bulls first drop. The way Batman just yanks you down and to the right is unbelievable. So forceful and such craziness. Usually a first drop like that sacrifices air for laterals, not Batman. It has both to spare.

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I will agree that BKF's drop is Godly, but there's just one problem..

...shoulder harnesses. They don't let me feel as vulnerable as Bull's lap pillows do. That's why Bull's reigns supreme to me.

BKF's is sick as crap though, I love just watching the back row snap off that drop from the midway and calling everyone in the back "suckers!" :)

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Well that makes sense but RB doesn't give you those sick laterals on it's first drop. I have to get back to SFGAM to ride the Bull some more. For comparison sake at least ;)

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Legendary,

Have you been eating purple berries? Although I have never ridden BKF or Bull I'd think you have it right. I've seen from vids the drop in action on both and both seem to have lots of air. But the openness of Bull would be a major +. But also on BFK you have the lats, another +. The best beemer I've ridden is Wildfire.....how does the back on that standup to these rides?

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Was I sleeping when I was on Apollo. That lil dip that everyone gives glory, laud and honor to did nothing for me. Gimme the str8 drop anyday.

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I still think it it has somthing to do with the disengagement of the lift chain and the newer coasters might attach to the chain in another way that doesn't need the dip to release from it. But who cares those dips are great in the back seats

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Aughhh look out there are Mice all around

Well I got news for ya Whizzer Boi. I totally agree with your theory and also agree that the back seat rocks when it get's yanked off the lift. The most intense whip I got was the back seat of Top Gun at PGA. When I rode BTDK at SFNE, I was NOT impressed. There was NO yankage over the first drop. I think it's because the lift is so steep like Alicia said. So, even if B&M doesn't get ride of their Dip n' Dive, the intensity in the back seat might decrease. :-(.

PkI FaNaTiC said:

Legendary,

Have you been eating purple berries?

LOL!! Glad you got the .sig.

As for how Wildfire compares -- For abrupt airtime, it's definitely on par with Raging Bull. However, since it lacks the fifty feet or so extra vertical droppage, it really can't compare to that first drop (IMO, of course).

Compared to other loopers, I think BKF is the only drop I like better...meaning Wildfire has one HELL of a first drop! The view ain't half bad either, hehe.

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*** This post was edited by Legendary on 8/11/2002. ***

Yeah I agree. What I really liked was if you sat last row on the left you kinda get thrown up and over the first drop with lats and the negative g's. I just moved down to Nashville and haven't ridden either of the coasters.....time to plan a trip.

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Yeah Top Guns dip n' dive is nasty from the back but I think the Vortex has a pretty harsh one too

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Yeah I noticed that Vortex at PGA had some awsome whippage. I think the older B&M's are much more intense and their "dip n' dive" is designed a little better.

Well here is my knowlege on it:

I can see how it can yet also cannot damage the lift chain. First off I do agree that since it is racheted and once it gathers speed it disengages. However there are chain dogs on every other car on a B&M. And the back car even has one. And yes if youve ridden in back of a B&M you will know that the last car does get yanked off at the crest where the chain still exists. Therefore the car could potentially be pulling the chain a bit. Same with all other manufactures. The last car is going fast enough to pull on the chain.

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