Better value CPWT $9 Mil or SFNE BKF @ $9.5 Mil ??

Well, if I had to decide between which of the two to put in my backyard with my spare 9.5 million dollars laying around, I would have to go with B:DK. Of course, that is just my opinion, and I will never have to make a decision like this anyway, so I guess it really doesn't matter what I think!

Peabody said:

Either is a better value compared to a more expensive SLC nowadays! (Heck, Boomerangs were over 8 million last time I heard a quote for a new one!)
Either is a fine investment for a park.
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- Peabody

Thats exactly right! People have been saying for ages that Vekoma were great, the let small parks get on the map. Honestly, I have no simpathy for a company that tried to charge so much for rides even Vekoma themselves knew were painful, and really had no design required as they were designed for flat land.

I'd probably rather the Intamin Impulse. I find very little thrill in inversions of any kind. Heck, no wonder I prefer a RollerSkater to an SLC, and believe me, the RollerSkater isn't much smoother than the SLC.

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First, it's Batman-The Dark Knight, not Batman Knight Flight. And Second, I would definitely choose BDK over WT anyday. WT is a beefed up clone of a ride that's an hour or two from the park. BDK has much more to it IMO, layout-wise. Not to critisize Intamin or CP, but I think that a B&M floorless for half a million bucks more than a double twisting inpulse is much more worth it. And to the nay sayer who said BDK lacked true quality? I believe it's probably one of the nicest B&Ms out there, judging from all of the comments from most other people.

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Make it to SFNE for S:Ros and BDK!!!!

auscoasterman said:

Thats exactly right! People have been saying for ages that Vekoma were great, the let small parks get on the map. Honestly, I have no simpathy for a company that tried to charge so much for rides even Vekoma themselves knew were painful, and really had no design required as they were designed for flat land.

If they charge so much for the rides, then why did so many parks gobble them up in droves, and why are they still being built to this day? Obviously, the price must not be too high, or parks wouldn't be buying them. And its not like B&M or Intamin have never built a clone, either.

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If the shoe fits, find another one.

It seems pointless to argue about this. I'm sure if CP was building their first coaster, they probably would have chose somethng like BDK over Wicked Twister, but the fact is, they already have an extensive collection, which includes two B&M loopers (Raptor and Mantis). I know neither one is a floorless, but the ride experience on an inverted vs. a floorless is pretty close (I like the inverted better honestly). CP needed something that was DIFFERENT than the rest of their arsenal. Just as MF was designed to be DIFFERENT from Magnum. Wicked Twister is UNIQUE when compared to the other coaster at CP. It goes backwards, it is launched, it is a shuttle! That is three things right there that they didn't have before that they now do. Both parks made the right moves in their own unique situations and I can't wait to ride both of them.

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-Matt
2001 Magnum Crew

I agree to a point Matt. My opinion, CP could have made a better choice with a premeire shuttle.Especially now that the OTSR have been removed.There are many launch style of coasters available.With land a such a premeium at CP it makes you wonder why WT is positioned on a nice piece of land that could have been utilied for a more substantial coaster.A better location for WT could have behind BS and WC or in back of Gemini.

$9 mill. will get you three decent sized CCI's. Or a really nice Arrow Looper

$9.5 million for a B&M is a real steal,let's see if any clones of B:TDK pop up anywhere in the near future.As for WT I'd say it's a fitting addition to CP's line up of coasters,it's short and doesn't take up too much space and it's a novelty for the GP who have never ridden let alone seen an impulse coaster before.

IMO...B&M doesnt provide the greates thrills to me. when it comes to intensity, i say intamin beat B&M. but then when it comes to things like capacity, reliability, etc B&M won. not a vs. opinion. but i have been on dueling dragons, hulk, superman and volcano. all providing different expieriences. and personally, the B&M's were just fun, not thrilling. Superman and volcano, provided some sort of thrill for me. it is all my opinion. but then again...how many floorless's are out there with inversion after inversion. B:DK just has it in a different order and packed into a smaller area. WT is simply taller with an extra twist. it basically comes down to what type of ride that you prefer, not what the other one does or what the park is looking for. both parks got what they needed...provided that they also got what is probably in their best intrest. if CP thought they needed a floorless, whats going to stop them? and vice-versa. either ride shouldnt be descriminated by the length of track or because one has inversions and the other doesnt.

What makes an Impluse so costly? Is it the LIMs? I know coasters cost a lot of money but there isnt that much track!

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i thought boomerang were around 5 million

I would just put the money into a quality CCI, you'll get more then a compact lot coaster or a shoot 'n' spin.

CCI cost
Some CCI's that I've checked the price on include:

Shivering Timbers (~$2.3M)

Boulder Dash ($6M)

GhostRider (~$24M, but that included the entire revamping of Ghost Town, and the beefier structure necessary for Earthquake zones)

Raven ($2M)

Seems as though most CCI creations are around $2M - $6M, according to what parks have released on their cost.

And contrary to popular belief, steel structure does NOT cost that much more than wood.

At any rate, I will second the notion that a CCI would do wonders for a park. Being in central Indiana though, you'll be surrounded by 4 other CCI's (Indiana Beach and Holiday World). If you can create a different style other than those four coasters, and market it well, it should prove to be a great investment. Good luck!

Agreed, Vertigo!

Alex, the latest Boomerangs were approaching 8 mil. I couldn't believe it when I first saw it! They used to be 5 or 6, but Vekoma's prices have been increasing a LOT the last 10 years! I forget what T2 cost, but SLCs are more than 12 million now!

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- Peabody

Peabody, cite your source for these prices. From what I understand the Boomerang Worlds of Fun received was somewhere around 3 mil.

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Excalibur Crew for 2002!

I think I read those prices in Amuesment Today.

Here's all I could cook up on the web:

5 years ago an SLC was a whopping $10! http://rcdb.com/installationdetail429.htm I read in a mag they are now closer to twelve.

For boomerangs, I found a couple of prices from 1997, all 5 Million. Here's one: http://www.coasterforce.com/boomgreatescape.htm With nothing but inflation I'm sure the price has risen in 5 years! I recall in the last year or so reading that they are currently around 7.5 pushing 8. I'm too lazy to dig out my copies of AT or AB.

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- Peabody

A fun coaster is a fun coaster, and for their locations I think both are great additions. However, after visiting SFNE this last weekend, I'd say it falls a little short of my expectations, mainly because it's so short. Great zero-g roll though :-) But having been spoiled with Medusa at SFGAdv and the B&M Floorless at SFWoA (can't remember the stupid super hero name right now), it doesn't quite compare. The unique thrill and crazy height you'll get with WT and CP I think will prove to be the "better" ride. But, like so many others have pointed out, I think each coaster is a great addition for each park...

I'm guessing that the electric bill from the WT LIMS would break my monthly budget! Have to go with BDK.

Peabody, when I read those prices for Vekomas, I have to believe (for my own peace of mind) that they include all costs of land-clearing, all theming, queues, the WHOLE project in essence. If not, I'd WAY rather pay CCI for some wood (probably 2-3 coasters' worth), or Intamin/B&M for a similarly priced steelie of higher quality....

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DaCoasterMan said:

I'm guessing that the electric bill from the WT LIMS would break my monthly budget! Have to go with BDK.

Haha, yea, maybe that is why Six Flags only dispatches SUE every five minutes! :)

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-Matt
2001 Magnum Crew

Well...I would say Batman:Dark Knight. It fits perfectly with the park and it's there to help take away the long lines from Superman:RoS...

As far as CP, nothing they put in will overly satisfy people. People are complaining that they added a single train launch coaster. And if they would have gotten that floorless, people would have complained that, it was too short and too small for CP's standards....go figure. Ive always been curious why CP place so much emphasis on size??...Oh well, that was just a random thought.

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