Better value CPWT $9 Mil or SFNE BKF @ $9.5 Mil ??

Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:10 AM

Is it alot of dough for an Intamin Impulse like Cedar Point's Wicked Twister a whopping $9 Million dollar$. Just read an article about Six Flags New England's new Batman Knight Flight. This B&M floorless is 115ft tall has a 95 ft loop, an 85ft dive loop, two interlocked corkscrews, and is said to flip riders 5 times.Batman's cost $9.5 Mil.

If I was shopping my checkbook; I'd have to say, I'd probably choose the B&M ( More Bang for the Buck) than the Impulse.

What's your thoughts. Granted I've never rode an Impulse before. Is the ride experience worth $9 Million Dollars?

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:24 AM

For the ride experience itself, well, that's completely subjective. I'd personally ride Raven before any steel coaster, and how much did the Raven set back Holiday World?

As for comparing prices among 2 completely different rides, well...that's not how the park is going to look it at. When considering a new ride the main points are marketability and potential return on investment, in comparison to other instalment possibilities. Obviously, this ride is going to be pretty marketable at CP considering this is their first shuttle, and in turn their first coaster to travel backwards, and in turn their first launched ride. As enthusiasts, this is all old hat for us, but for the average park goer, not as much.

And lastly, there is no doubt in my mind that if Cedar Point bought a floorless coaster from B&M, it would cost a lot more than $9.5 million, just from the notion that Cedar Point would not building one only around 115 ft. tall.

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*** This post was edited by ravenguy98 on 4/23/2002. ***

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:25 AM

From an enthusiasts standpoint, B:KF is a much better buy - higher capacity, more elements and a longer different ride. From the GPs standpoint, I would have to say WT - taller, faster and much more impressive looking. I would say both parks are getting their money's worth.

Mike

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:27 AM

Riverview Mike said:

From an enthusiasts standpoint, B:KF is a much better buy - higher capacity, more elements and a longer different ride.



See, that's a generalization you really can't make about enthusiasts. I promise you by the time people have ridden both rides there will be some people that will vastly prefer Wicked Twister.

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:33 AM

It all depends on what you are looking for. On thing that parks are looking for is a variety of coasters. It's also difficult to tell if you are comparing apples to apples. Prices quoted for coasters vary in what is included in the quoted number. At one extreme it can be a bare coaster. At the other extreme it can include land value, landscaping paving, the new restroom, themeing, etc.

A lot can depend on how your overall park capacity is. If it is good, a low capacity machine may be OK. If it is poor, you would want a high capacity coaster. I'm sure that SFNE can use a coaster that has lots of capacity. This may not be as important for CP. Another major factor is how the new coaster plays in advertising.

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:59 AM

If my park already has a shuttle and a launch, B:KF would be the better buy. If my park already has a floorless (or even a Beemer sit-down), and no shuttles OR launches, WT might well be a bigger bargain...

Of course I'm pretty sold on the capacity issue...that's why I like the dual-station coasters so much....

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 7:07 AM
its dark knight not knight flight

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 7:22 AM

Either is a better value compared to a more expensive SLC nowadays! (Heck, Boomerangs were over 8 million last time I heard a quote for a new one!)

Either is a fine investment for a park.

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 8:12 AM
Peabody and the rest have hit the nail on the head: why compare apples and oranges? Both are great additions to both parks.

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:49 PM
BDK, by far. It's much more track, more capacity, and a cooler ride, IMO. BDK is a great ride, very intense, and very unique. WT looks like a pretty cool ride, not a big re ride ride, very intense, and kinda unique. BDk is also an AWESOME re ride ride, I rode it 35 times and was not bored in a tid bit. So, IMO, BDK.

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:52 PM
Maybe we should wait until WT opens to judge which is the better value?
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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:58 PM
B&M floorless over an intamin impulse anyday, don't say that im generalizing, WT is a cheap 1/2 clone of a ride 90 miles away from it.

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:08 PM

After riding BDK on media day, and being totally depressed by its serious lackage of true B&M quality, I'd definitely take an Intamin Impulse anyday!! Plus, its an Intamin, how can you go wrong?!

But yes, I will agree with Peabody and the rest here by saying that both are great for the parks, although I may not enjoy one as much as the other.

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*** This post was edited by rOLLocOASt on 4/23/2002. ***

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:08 PM
Since I can't imagine having that kind of money, and most other enthusiast can't either, I say it's a pretty pointless topic.
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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:48 PM
BDK. Hands down.

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:54 PM

Intamin Fan,

You couldn't possibly be MORE wrong about having that kind of money.

You've CLEARLY fogotten about our buddy Titan_Fan_13!!!!

Brian, who misses our little pipedreaming buddy.

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:56 PM

Ok, say I can buy 2 tons of fish food for $20,000, or buy 5 tons of dog food for the same amount. So I buy the dog food because its the better deal.

Then I get home and realize I don't own any dogs, and I have 200 fish to feed. Was it still the better value?

Think about it.

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 8:46 PM
Just spend $18.5 million and get both.

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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 8:59 PM
You also must consider capacity, reliabilty and long term durability. B&M clearly are better than anyone else at the reliability, the others, call it a draw. I'm quite sure both parks will be satisfied with their decisions. B:DK in particular is a perfect fit for SFNE.
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Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:33 PM

*wipes tears from eyes*...Brian, I still hope to go to T_F_13's park, and I expect to have a great time there! (But if he doesn't have the moose out front, I'm turning around and going home)...the sig rules...

remember, we are the music makers...(been spending too much time at the Wokna site recently...;))

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