This took me by surprise. After looking in both the Coasterbuzz and rcdb.com indices, Avatar is nowhere to be found. I'm sure you could argue for reasons that it is not a coaster, but there exist so many which are called "coasters" despite arguable reasons that they are not.
Coasters do not have an internal power source. Power is always applied externally via a chain, launch mechanism, etc.
Also the power application to coaster cars only occurs during a relatively small part of the overall track. During the remainder of the ride, the motion is entirely dependent on gravity and momentum.
Some people put Flumes in a separate catergory of ride called "water coasters" along with Shoot the Chutes rides and Whitewater rides that are wet throughout (except possibly on the lift). Normally regular coasters are dry throughout except that they may have a splashdown (eg. DLs Matterhorn Bobsleds).
Not that long ago we had a thread that discussed with the issue of what actually counts as a "credit". That thread delved into matters such as whether drop towers are coasters or whether the gravity powered darkrides at Conneaut Lake and Camden should be counted.
Zamperla says it doesn't "coast", that's good enough for me...like Shaggy, though, I had more fun on it than I expected...
Also, rcdb lists powered rides (see: Thunder Run at PCW). Some Dragon Wagons ARE powered, others use gravity.
I'mtorn on a couple of different front in terms of "credits", so right now I'm somewhere between 485-520....LOTS of gray areas, LOL.
edit: FLYINGSCOOTER, I don't think Devil's Den, Dante's Inferno, and the like truly "coast throughout", I believe they all go under power for speed control immediately AFTER the gravity drop...they DO coast momentarily though.
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Devils Den and its sister ride at Camden don't run atop rails (they do have a slotted guiderail) but they do have a definite track. I would say, they should be counted for the same reason that a bobsled coaster or a Virginia Reel should be counted. (I don't know of any Virginia Reels being around now but if you rode one in the past, go ahead and count it.
Gator: I'm pretty sure that Devils Den and Camden's Haunted House are completely gravity-driven after the chain lift. The cars even coast through the station. The operating pushes the car to the chain lift and they have to be manually stopped by a ride op grabbing the car.
I don't know if I would really call them a coaster though as they were designed first and foremost to be darkrides. This is different from putting a regular coaster in the dark. Not sure where this places Locosumo and The Underground. But there is a nice way end the debate: just don't keep a track record!
Avatar clearly is powered most of the time and is not coasting that much. That right there to me makes it not a coaster. But, it still was lots of fun.
^^^ VERY interesting, millrace. I was under the impression that these rides only *coasted* thru the drop/rise into the next area of the ride. Now I guess I'll re-re-re-evalute Underground with this new knowledge. And considering the number of Pretzel rides I've ridden, I'm *thatmuch* closer to the 500 mark...LOL!
Would be kinda cool to have ONE "landmark ride" that I'm aware of...is there a *gravity darkride* in Denver that I can use for #500...since I don't specifically COUNT powered rides, hehe. But, like KerSplash and Timber Mtn. Log Ride, I have no requirement for "mostly coaster", "some coaster", "mostly darkride", etc.
All without leaving the continent - maybe I am a "homer"?!!??
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After looking at Avatar (not riding it), I'm almost convinced it doesn't quite fall in the lines of a coaster. It looks like a Rock-n-Tug, just themed to that horrible Avatar show...
...HOWEVER, the Intamin Half-Pipe coaster is vaguely similar to the overall style, so some may argue that if Avatar isn't a coaster, why is the Intamin Half-Pipe considered a coaster? The answer is: Ida know... because it's much bigger? Because it's manufacture is Intamin?
rollergator said: ...And considering the number of Pretzel rides I've ridden, I'm *thatmuch* closer to the 500 mark...LOL!
Most Pretzel rides are not gravity driven. The only two gravity Pretzel rides that I know of are at Conneaut and Camden. Personally I don't count them as coasters but this was real borderline for me. I can understand why many enthusiasts do count them.
However if you try to count all Pretzel rides, then you will have to be slapped.
