I get banged up as much as the next guy, I think. However, I think the roughest steel I've ever been on is the Dragon @ Adventureland. I can't remember who built it, but I don't think he's done a whole lot after this.
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Randy Hutchinson
You build it, I'll ride it
I like Arrows. I never had any problems with them other than a HUGE 5 inch bruise I got on the Steel Phantom the final. The only reason I got that was because I jammed my arm between the OTSR and side of the car to put my hands up.
--I think Ole Nessie is one of the best steel loopers around and its 20+ years old! I loved GASM tooo, three loops in a row then the boomerang and two corkscrews just a great layout although it does take up lots of space. I think the corcscrews are some of the best around it just screams thru them. It even has a great first drop in the back seat. I even liked Steamin' Deamon at Great Escape thats a real early Arrow. That's the perfect looper for a small park, small and 3 inversions.
__I actually didn't care much for Magnum though. Arrow may have built the first Hyper but I think Morgan perfected it.
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Parks Hit For 2000! PKD, BGW,DP,HP,PKI,HW,SFKK,SFA,GAdv,SFNE,LC,GE,QP,CDP,LP,KG,SFO,WG,GE,KW,IW,WL,CI
I'm sorry but ARROW STINKS! There's no way you can even compare them to B and M. They aren't even good ride design.
By the way, if you're wondering why Arrow Loopers are so bad, then imagine banging your head against the wall at 70 MPH!
Amen to Coasterpunk...Steamin' Demon was my first looper, and I still love it for it's simplicity. Although Magnum is the worst hyper I've been on, Morgan and Intamin perfected it.
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Parks for 2000: CP, Great Escape, Great Adventure, SFA, Islands of Adventure, Kennywood
The only Arrow Loopers I have been on are Demon at SFGAm. and Corkscrew. They were both fairly smooth and and fun. Middle is the best on both of them because they produce good G's and are smoothest in the middle (thats a personal opinion)
The Back has to much head-banging on both, and the front is ok on the Demon and bad on the corkscrew. Mainly because of the hard seats when you land from the airtime.
Arrows are Arrows, love em or hate em. They are fun, but they just don't age well. Even the best 2 Arrows of them all, Viper and Magnum are so rough now, they now provoke more owwws than ahhhhs.
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Simcoaster awards 2000!
Best Steel:
1)Superman-SFNE
2)Goliath-SFMM
Best wood:
1)The Legend
The rough is more the result of bad wheels, which is a result of bad maintenece by the park, rather than bad design by Arrow. Every coaster can suffer from this problem. I was on BKF earlier this year and found it to br almost as rough as some Arrows due to bad wheels, which were SFO responsibility. As for the actual wheel ties, that is Arrow's fault and it needs to be fixed.
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Where would we be without the rumor mill?
coastergenius,
Sorry, I didn't know that this post was meant to compare Arrow to B&M. If it was I'd have to say that B&M wins hands down.
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Randy Hutchinson
You build it, I'll ride it
Randy, Dragon @ Adventureland was built by O.D. Hopkins. They don't really make coasters. Their specialty is flume rides, so you can probably understand why it's so rough.
MambaMatt
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Top Steel - Mamba
Top Wood - The Boss
I have loved every Arrow looper I have ever been on.
Arrow, with it's newer technology, could make a HUGE comeback(hopefully). From what I've heard, Tenn. Tornado is smooth as can be. All Arrow needs is for an other park to take a chance with them like with the TT, and hopefully the'll make a comeback. On the subject of the head banging, I got it on my first Arrow looper (Corkscrew, CP) on my solo ride, and I didn't mind it. I'm only 5'3, (If height has anything to do with it), and I just stick my head out, and it dosen't happen. So far, my Corkscrew count in my 4 visits to the Point is 13, so I obviously have no prob with Arrow loopers.
I could deal without the OTSR's, but there seems to be a solution to that. A coaster many of you may know from a Singulair (SP?) allergy commercial shows a looper (most likley Arrow), and specifies it has a 90ft drop. It has no OTSR's, but lapbars and seatbelts. It's called Desert Storm At Casles & Coasters if I remember the discussion about it in the fourm from a little while ago correctly. Any way, if Arrow ditched the OTSR's or did the whole lapbar thing, it would increase my love for their coasters drasticly. Well, now that I've gone on too long..............
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Rollercoasters: They're not a hobby, they're not an interest, they're an ADDICTION!
We all know that the insurence agencies would never let a looper get built without OSTR's. Besides, those restraints are not so bad if a wheel breaks off and the coaster gets stuck it a loop like the Deamon@SFGA last year.
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Where would we be without the rumor mill?
WildOne, if insurance companies would "never" let a over-the-shoulderless looper get built, then what's the magic behind Son of Beast?
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--Greg
http://www.pobox.com/~gregleg/
*** This post was edited by GregLeg on 10/20/2000. ***
Well, SOB's bars do wrap around the body entirely, so you could call them ATBR(around the body restaints). There is almost always an exception to every rule.
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Where would we be without the rumor mill?
Arrow Loopers are revolutionary rides, with first of their kind elements, like Drachen Fire and Shockwave, Steel Phantom. They are kind of rough, but hey a roller coaster isn't a cadillac, right? I always keep my head against the headrest, that generally minimizes the headbanging on them. And by the way what's Arrow coming out with on November 13?
The beauty of being tall is I dont experience headbanging with the OTSRs so to me the Arrows I have been on dont bother me. Now leg room on these things is another story. They have the worst leg room of any other coaster I have been on. Actually the Demon at SFGAm is pretty smooth for an Arrow looper.
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"DONT FIGHT IT, RIDE IT",,,,RAGING BULL
----A coaster many of you may know from a Singulair (SP?) allergy commercial shows a looper (most likley Arrow), and specifies it has a 90ft drop. It has no OTSR's, but lapbars and seatbelts. It's called Desert Storm At Casles & Coasters...-----
The desert storm was designed by O.D. Hopkins not Arrow.
*** This post was edited by GRL on 10/21/2000. ***
All Schwarzkopf loopers started out with no OTSR. Take Scorpion, Sooperdooperlooper, Shockwave, Laser Loops, etc etc. Certain parks (such as GRRRR Magic Mountain GRRRRR) have installed them later on. Some of these coasters are Revolution, Mind Bender, Texas Tornado (although these may have been on)
You can't take The B&M's of today and compare them to the Arrow's of the 70s, 80s and early 90s, Its just not fair. They didn't have the technology that B&M, Intamin, etc, etc, have today. I'm willing to bet If Arrow makes a big coaster for a park, whether it be looping of non looping. It would be just as smooth if not smoother than an Intamin or B&M.
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Final Force Count: 8
Time to get depresed!
My apologies about the Desert Storm thing. I checked up on that right after I posted, and found out it wasn't Arrow, and when I tried to edit, I got an error page.
Wild One~~
Although I realize that Desert Storm was not Arrow, it is still a looper regardless, and it has no OTSR's. If the insurance companys enforce OTSR's, than how did manage to use only lap restaints on DS? Was it built before the insurance companys started doing that, or is it a Son of Beast ATBR (around the body restraint) type of thing? Just wondering.
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Rollercoasters: They're not a hobby, they're not an interest, they're an ADDICTION!
