If I am correct Arrows last looper was Tennesee Tornado and there last coaster was X. My question is, are they going to build any thing new? I rode Tennesse Tornado and I thought it was really nice and smooth. I wouldn't mind seeing another Arrow Looper somewhere.
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Because the larger parks of America, the ones who have built all the B&Ms and Intamins and whatnot, can afford the European pricetag.
As has often been said, Tennessee Tornado could have been the savior for Arrow, but it came far too late. From what I've heard, it delivers the same smoothness and reliability of a European counterpart, but for about half the cost. That to me seems like a better deal straight off - they were in the right place at the wrong time.
What Stan has in mind for Arrow's existing rides I presume is anyone's guess. Some may call him an innovator, I call him a pretty sloppy innovator. If he remarkets the Arrow looper, as-is, perhaps as a cheaper (and better?) alternative to the European counterparts, I'm sure we could see this seemingly dead style of ride come back to life (particularly in our smaller/non-corporate parks).
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I think the biggest thing to notice is that not even the european builders are doing many traditional, sit down loopers anymore. B&M's only done 3 in the US total, I don't think Vekoma has done any since 1993, and I don't believe Intamin has _ever_ built a sit down looper in the US (they have elsewhere). Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in these analyses. The question is not whether S&S Arrow will build anymore, it's whether parks will buy anymore. Right now they want gimmick, gimmick, gimmick. I personally feel that even as technology progresses we'll begin to see a return to building this type of coaster, because it obviously still has an important place in parks. Look at SFGam.... the only sit down looper they have now is Demon, and I wouldn't be surprised if its days are numbered. Come on, for a park that size that's lame.
With the "Coaster Wars" going on, I can see sit-down loopers making a comeback, even if it is a small one. Parks like Six Flags Magic Mountain and Cedar Point can only go so high and so fast before they're out of money and on the street corner. What other records are there to break then? Well, with the addition of Colossus at Thorpe Park inversions seem like the way to go.
However, like ThemeDesigner said, this may not be enough of a gimmick for the big parks. This can be solved with the creation of new elements; new ways to turn people up-side-down. Most likely, projects like these would, in fact, go to the European companies. It is possible, though, that parks will realize they can get roughly the same product for a cheaper price tage from S&S Arrow. ------------------ Intelligence is a God given gift: Know how to use it.
Parks that could use an Arrow Mega Looper include are not limited to: SFGAM, MA, VSN L,CP,HW,KBF,BGW,PCW,SFA,SFKK and that's just off the top of my head. I think there could be a hugh market for this type of coaster. Like someone had mentioned in another post new inversions is the key. Also Arrow does custiomizes trains. ------------------ SFMM is the mega looper coaster capital of the world while CP is the Hypergigaterra coaster capital of the world
I disagree Rob. Your saying a new-age Arrow mega looper wouldn't sell? I think your wrong. If they correct the mistakes they made with the previous loopers, add some technology of today to that, and smooth out those transitions, you'd have world class rides
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TT was a testement to Arrow's talent. Unfortunately, it was constructed in a park that doesn't have the visability of some of the major players and wasn't built to the scale of let's say "SFMM Viper". TT was constructed 5 seasons ago and still run like new. So to say Arrow need to give them away is crazy. In fact, parks should be lining up to purchase one. It's 2003 not 1989.
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I am really glad to see all this support for arrow, because IMHO, they are miles above B&M's in air and intensity. And even if it hurts, thy are the only steelies that have laterals.
And remember Ron Toomer's famous quote? "Transition, what's that?"
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I agree that old Arrow coasters can be quite rough for shorter people and those who aren't used to coasters, but Arrow has fixed that problem. Like people have said, Tennessee Tornado is a totally new breed of Arrow coaster. B&M is a great coaster company, but so is Arrow. We've got our "perfect" B&M coasters all around the world, and I'd like to see a lot of "perfect" Arrow's pop up too. ------------------ Intelligence is a God given gift: Know how to use it.