Are all SF parks like this?

It's mostly about money. Parks have differing philosophies about the best way to maximize profit. Six Flags often takes the cost-cutting route in the short-term, while a Disney calibre park will try to maximize customer satisfaction to bring repeat business. SF management seems to emphasize getting the best expense/guest ratio out of their parks on slow days without the foresight to consider how this impacts them in the future when these guests choose whether or not to return to the park later in the season. They've gambled that their guests really don't care or pay much attention to the operations or are smart enough to know what good park customer service is.

From a personal standpoint, in the big picture I've seen attendance at my local Six Flags drop fairly steadily over the past ten years. Compare 1992 #'s with 2002 #'s and it sure seems like Six Flags is paying for their crime now.

Guest would not stay away from a park because of lines. Trust me if they like the rides especially us teens, they would go back because of the coasters. Its different reasons why trains have different operations. You would never know unless you the one who works on the rides.
It's called let's sell more fastlane passes!

SFGA is my home park and I love its coaster line up.

But it all comes down to one thing MONEY!

When you say "SFGA" do you mean SF Great Adventure or Great America?

Around here the acronyms are as follows SFGRADV=SF Great Adventure while SFGRAM =SF Great America,& I do agree that the low capacity might be a way to market fastlane.

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BFSFA....info says he's from Elgin, IL....I'm *guessing* GAm...;). Besides, there's more to love at GAm than there is at GAdv...*ducks head*...
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Hey Gator? I live in Los Angeles but I consider Holiday World my home park ;)

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Moosh...nah....HW is my *home away from home* park....:).

Honestly, there's no park outside of FL that I feel as comfortable at.....but then again, if I had YOUR selection of parks, I'd probably feel the same as you...nothing "homey" about SoCal....;)
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Mamoosh said:
coastertigger sez: "We waited about 25 minutes to get on Chang at SFKK"

OMG! 25 minutes? That's horrible! What did you do to fill all that time so you weren't so bored?

Moosh - yeah, that was sarcasm

On a day like that, and with a crowd like that 25 minutes is stupid. Especially for a coaster that could be running 3 trains. I understand long lines on crowded days, and have waited in plenty. Thanks for the sarcasm Moosh!


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Tell ya what: I'll trade your 25 minute waits for Chang with 100 people ahead of you for my 60 min waits on X with 12 people ahead of me.

Sorry, but in my opinion complaining about having to wait 25 minutes for ANY coaster on ANY day is what's stupid. Considering some people are not healthy enough or don't have a means to get to a park and ride I think we should consider ourselves lucky that we can enjoy our hobby.

Moosh - and no, that was *not* sarcasm.

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Besides, there's more to love at GAm than there is at GAdv...*ducks head*...

With that comment I'm putting you ON MY LIST!!!

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And I would gladfully take that trade since I've never rode X.

I too feel lucky that I can ride coasters, and feel bad for those who can't, or never will, and I'm not sure why that even got brought up. Listen, I only wanted too know why some SF parks only ran 1 train on some days, and there have been a lot of Excellent replies to this( thanks coasterbzz members). So why bring in the sarcasm?

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Well Moosh, if you're OK with medocrity in retrurn for your dollar, so be it. I guess I'm just spoiled by growing up with a higher standard.

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That's a little harsh Jeff, especially given that more and more parks are starting to suffer from this very problem. We can't all just drive out to Cedar Point whenever we feel like it. So some of us pick our battles, and complaining about having to wait 20 minutes for a stupid(in the larger scheme of things)rollercoaster doesn't rank that high on my list either.

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Hmmm.....let's see, we're back to the ol' standard question of SF capacity vs. 'other' park chains. 3 points that I cannot bare to agree with:

1) Million dollar trains? If they are million $ trains on million $ tracks, owned by million $ companies, then where is the million dollars going for maintainance. If they are worried about wear & tear, why are they on the track in the first place? Motto: save your million dollars for guest relations that are brutally upset about waiting 60 minutes for a ride when there are only 1000 people in the park.

2) Past experience? After visiting 5 SF parks, 2 CF, PKI, and various family owned parks (HP, HW, KW, CLP, IB, IW) in the last 3 summers, Six Flags owns the worst capacity of all mentioned. Why they single-train with low numbers in the park has been a mystery to all of us at the Buzz, 3 years running.

3) Sarcasm? And this is directed more at Moosh than anyone, but 25 minutes on Chang? Yes, Chang is a grand coaster, but 25 minutes with one train on a slow day? The day we spent at SFKK should have tabulated 3 rides per coaster in 5 hours, but left mifted when we rode everything once, that's all time allowed. And that, my friend, is ridiculous. 5 coasters, 5 hours? Something does not add up. I'm praying SFoG is managed more completely a week from today.

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Got back from Magic Mountain earlier this afternoon. Ninja, Revolution, Psyclone, and X were single train operation. (I can understand X), but I noticed that it really is a staffing problem. There were two people working Revolution and the same with Superman The Escape and Ninja.
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Woody....the good news first...it WILL be. SFoG isn't run that way, and is more popular than SFKK. Wow, amazing coincidence....I probably should have noticed that before...;).

edit: 'Tuan...I'm FROM the Garden State...but there's NO good wood at the SF park...and early indications are that the rumored rehab on RT was mostly *just that*...rumor...;)

And to paraphrase Jeff...."I don't give a rat's arse about YOUR staffing problem"....
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This problem is a pet peeve of mine! I've seen many parks run one or two trains on slower days *creating* long lines, and it sucks big time. I think almost every park I've visited has done this at one time or another. It is it not just theme parks. I've seen this problem big time at Kennywood and Knoebels too! Other non SF parks where this has been a problem for me are:

PKD, PKI, Knott's, Disneyland, Magic Kingdom, D/MGM, BGT, BGW, Dorney, Lake Compounce, Great Esape(pre Premier too), HersheyPark, and I know there are others. I first noticed this back in '92, just before we became enthusiast, when we visit Williamsburg for a week. We had three day passes at BGW. Sunday was a good day, sorta busy, but lines moved. However, the two weekdays we went the lines were worse and there were far fewer people in the park. All because Busch thought it would be nice to run 1-2 trains on the coasters. They created nice lines on BBW and LNM. Funny, but I remember Drachen Fire have 2-3 trains and running well. I've seen PKD do it more lately then they used too. Disney does it too. Saw it happen on SM at MK. Both sides open early on...then later only one side and line was sorta long. Later in the day, they decided to open both sides again. I was told by some people that the side was just down, however I asked a CM and on said they didn't have enough guests to open both sides! Yeah right. I saw it at Matterhorn too during slower times. It is very annoying when you have a slow crew running one train on a coaster, making a 5 minute wait into a 20 min. wait. It was like this at BGT a few times too, especially on Montu and Gwazi. Ditto for many SF parks. It seems all the parks are worried about the bottom line more than making the guests happy. DD at IoA is very annoying when they have 1 train per side, with super slow crew. Makes a 2 minute wait more like 15, it gets old very fast. Parks can make any excuse they like, but the fact is that this is very poor operations no matter how you cut it.

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