I think it is because people think that if the lap bar comes down, they should ride. But what has CP done to try to accomodate these people?
On the other hand, I can understand the restriction on dragster. If the ride can barely make it over, then what would more weight do to it?
Luckily, I am able to fit on every ride, but I also realize how both sides of the spectrum feel. What's your opinion? Is this a problem that leads to the loss of attendance at CP?
There are not that many people who have been turned away from Millennium Force this past two years to make much of a difference.
And let's not forget that anything over 3 million is still doing pretty well with the park's history.
It will also be interesting to see what new cost savings (i.e. service cuts) they are going to come up with to maintain the park's profit margins in the face of decreased per-cap if they don't make up the revenue in attendance, because it will take a few years to bring prices back up if this strategy doesn't bring in the numbers they are hoping for.
I know we keep pointing to the econmoy, but the economy in southeast Michigan has been crappy since I moved here in 98. Except for a few pockets of biotech, this area didn't participate materially in the 90's boom, and state budgets have been tight for at least five of the past eight years. I just don't see how our regional economy is much worse this year than it was last year, or the year before, or the year before that.
On the other hand, I have wondered for some time how long parks could increase prices significantly faster than inflation and get away with it---discretionary income isn't growing as fast as admission, and that necessarily eats away at your potential market. Perhaps we've hit the wall, and we'll see other redutions, or at least other parks holding the line on admission. WDW effectively dropped admission for multi-day stays in January of 05, and for our typical Disney trip (seven nights) it's cheaper to enter the parks eight days than it used to be to enter for five.
In any event, we certainly seem to be living in interesting times for the industry.
About Dragster, I think that you are mistaken about how the ride works. Isn't the train weighed with riders on it and launched accordingly? I could be mistaken, but i don't think that a trainful of large riders would keep the train from cresting the tophat.
But would a trainful of larger riders keep the ride from going over the top? I have not been paying attention on the subject.
I went to CP in May this year and had pretty good service from all employees there. They all have their good days and bad days.
I think it is more about the famlies. I have complete faith that they will do something about the lack of new family attractions very soon. Kids up to the age of about 12 and non-thrillseeking adults who have been to CP in the past few years might not see a reason to go back until there is something new and exciting for them to do, perhaps. It's all been said before.
Maybe the new price for them will help out.
Anyway, here's my opinion on the drop in attendance. The motto of Cedar Point has been "America's Roller Coast". Unfortunately, that sets up certain expectations for those of us who'd like to travel back to Cedar Point. Many of us had already ridden an impulse (the one down the street, so to speak, for example) so why go back for a slightly enhanced version? Then you had a monster roller coaster that didn't work very well and only lasted mere seconds. No thanks, we'll wait until next year when they get the bugs out. 2004 becomes the off year with other improvements and a still malfunctioning coaster. 2005 they add a Giant Frisbee and Six Flags builds a slightly bigger/faster version of TTD in New Jersey, which again takes away the incentive to travel to Ohio. I'm sure that MaxAir is exciting (I'm a huge flat ride person), but it's still not a coaster. So what are they building for 2006? A giant swing ride. Again, it has the potential to be exciting, but it's still not a coaster.
Before people bring up the defense that they're not competing with Great Adventure etc., then why would they be heavily advertising in Maryland and other states like they did last year? Maybe that campaign failed as I don't recall seeing any Cedar Point TV ads this year. But still, there are a lot of people who saw those ads and are now familiar with Cedar Point if they weren't before. So the bottom line for me and others is for Cedar Fair to give us a spectacular coaster for 2007 or we can add another year since 2000 that I won't be returning to Sandusky, Ohio. You better believe I'll be in Indiana next year though:) *** Edited 11/6/2005 11:43:09 PM UTC by Intamin Fan***
I don't think there was any reason for CP to change the seat belts in the first place. I don't think there ever was a threat that anyone would of fell out, because the ride ops at CP are more efficient than at SF
What does efficiency have to do with safety?
To think that attendance has dropped because of a seatbelt policy that affects few people or a lack of enthusiasts visiting is laughable.
If you want to ride every ride...get off your ass and go exercise outside. I'm sure not that much will happen on CB if you leave your computer for say...20 min for a walk. Also you don't have to have that extra piece of cake at dinner. Seriously people, if you get turned away from a ride...it's your fault...your the one who does not exercise, rides are not made to hold 500 pound gorrilas, they are meant for humans of REGULAR weight.
Wow, youre sooo intelligent. FYI I will never be able to fit on a Intamin horse collar (save Volcano where they have extenders, or at least did at one time) not due to my weight but my torso length. I am a big guy, 6' 3" and yes I am overweight, however from experience I will never fit on MF again because there is no way Im loosing that much girth at my mid section, and I saw people I would not consider overweight tossed off that thing. Did I tell you how much I despise Intamin, not just for their restraints but for their POS breakdown prone unsafe crap they have put out on the market over the past ten years?
I flaunt with B&M restraint length all the time and have sometimes been unable to ride, but that is something I can fix (and usually do); loosing two pants size with my bone structure and genetics is never going to happen, thus no MF for me ever again without a new train.
Face it America is getting bigger and fatter and soon enough the average american will not fit in Intamin rides. While I dont think this is the biggest cause to CP's problems, it is part of the problem. From experience enthusiasts, on average, tend to be more chunky then the average and seeing as CP has been hailed as heaven on earth and a destination park means we are a measurable part of CP's draw. When you combine that with the increase in complaints about service (read some of the TRs from this year) the park has had I say they are falling out of favor with us, thus contributing but not being the main part of their attendance problem.
Then in the same thread we worry whether by dropping the admission price, the park will be able to maintain per cap spending in park. And what is a big part of per cap spending? Cotton candy-- soda (or pop for some of you)-- anything dipped in batter, deep fried, and coated with salt.
You must spend more money, so eat and drink more, so you get even bigger, and fit on fewer and fewer rides, so you stop coming to the park, so we lower the admission even more, but when you come back you must spend more money, so... it's a vicious cycle.
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