3 people, including 15-year-old, shot at Kennywood

Not saying this applies to anyone here, because Coasterbuzz, but a very low percentage of people realize how much time and effort stand-up comedians put into their shows. As in literally agonizing over the placement of every word; the beat, the timing...of course once mastered there is room for ad-libbing and every stand-up has to be able to improvise, but I think the movie analogy works. Seeing an act in its early days is like getting permission to read a script for a new film that is only on its first draft.

Why is it that every artist of every other art form understands that once it's out there, it's no longer yours? Let's be real, it's about control, and you can't control art. The conversation about it is going to happen with or without you. And if there's anything that seems universal about commentary from the great comedians, it's that their kind in particular deals with criticism really poorly. They hate it. Of course they want to try to control it, but they can't.

I don't think anyone thinks they can completely control art, but Bill is trying to protect his work that goes into creating that art.

I guess I just don't care. If an act of any kind I went to asked me to zip up my phone during a show, I would just say OK.

Especially if it meant I got to listen to Chapelle and Burr.

EDIT: Just because I had a few moments, googled upon a Reddit thread where someone simply asked how the pouches worked, and this was a totally predictable reply in the comments:

I get Bill Burr not wanting his material to leak out, that's legitmate. And I appreciate the patrons keeping them out of use. But this is first and foremost a phone, and once you steal my freedom to communicate via prior restraint you've lost me as a paying customer.

Same guy is also pissed you don't say the pledge of allegiance before Burr's show.

Pretty sure none of this is as strict as the security for Steel Vengeance

They are trying to maximize their value. Whether it works is a different issue. But its their choice. If someone doesn't like that (for the stated reason or otherwise), don't go see their shows (or watch them online).

Amazing to me the number of people who start shaking if you tell them they cannot access their phone for any given amount of time. 90 mins without their phone? Their heads would explode.

Isn't it fascinating what people will or won't submit to? Having your phone locked in a bag, getting a vaccine, wearing a mask, carrying or not carrying a gun, having a book about the gays in your library... freedom and liberty mean very different things to different people. I guess I don't find anything sacred about comedian material, but find it amusing that they're so naive to believe they can control their art or how people react to it.

So are you against the venue having a no recording policy?

Of course not, where are you even getting that? Almost every show has that policy. I don't think you appreciate how close I am to "the venue" in this case. But as someone with a tween at home when I'm at a show, I don't need to be treated like a child with my phone, which I may need.

Shades:

If hearing the whole thing in context crosses the line then it only seems logical that taken out of context it would cross the line as well.

The difference is that some people don't mind being offended and will pay money to see entertainment that may offend them. That's the contract between the artist and the audience. I doubt there's a ticket in the house for Burr or Chappelle that costs less than 3 figures, which means you really want to be there and are willing to be exposed to whatever the artist may present.

Those who view a leaked clip do not have the right to be offended. They forfeited that right by not paying to see the performance.

https://triblive.com/local/kennywood-announces-new-chaperone-policy...protocols/

The security messaging of "perimeter enhancements" as well as the demo from Evolv to the media lends credence to the theories that the guns came over the fence as opposed to through the security checkpoint.

Also, it was smart of the park and Evolv to give said demo to counter all the people who reported to the media that their phones and keys didn't set off the detectors.

I am still not clear on how the Evolv system works. From posts above it does not detect metals using a magnet so what triggers it to sound an alarm? Is it looking for some physical feature such as a bulge in someone's clothing?

You know the millimeter wave body scanners at the airport? It's similar to that, only you don't have to stand in a tube and it can scan one person every second.

I do, but I don't know how those work either. All I know is that something has set them off the last 2 times I went through the airport. Something on my left shin and something on my right abdomen. There was nothing in either of those areas except for the shirt or jeans that I was wearing. TSA checked me out and shrugged their shoulder.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/millimeter-wave-scanner.htm

You can't trust adults to act like adults. Prime example I've recently seen first hand.

Rammstein just did an AMAZING stadium tour in the US. A the start of the show, they state that the band has asked people not to film it.

Don't believe me? go look at the videos on YouTube. You can literally watch every date from beginning to end and 95% of them even have the "please don't record" in the video and you can usually hear people laughing or saying "Yeah right."

Amazing show btw.

Why we can't have nice things.

Jeff:

Of course not, where are you even getting that?

I promise I'm not being coy, I just want to make sure I know exactly what your position is. I figured this would be your response, but to be honest the exchange we had in the other shooting-at-a-park thread kind of surprised me:

You:

Killing people is still killing people regardless of the words used, or whether it's offense or defense.

Me:

Offense or defense isn't just semantics, it's literally the difference between justifiable homicide and murder. If we are taking the 10,000 ft view then yes, a dead person is a dead person and it is sad. But if I'm looking at individual instances of violence and it is clear who is the aggressor and who is the innocent victim, then I'd like to live in a world where the good guy has a chance to defend themselves, and I'd like them to have a decisive advantage.

You:

As you said, both result in dead people. They're both bad to me, and I find neither acceptable.

What I learned from that is to not assume I know what anyone's position is if I can just ask. So it seems like you understand and are fine with a venue having a no recording policy, but you don't want them to enforce that policy to the point of confiscating everyone's phone. I understand where you're coming from as that is an extreme measure, but I think the anger should be directed at the people that have broken the rules and the trust, not at the comedian.

I’d rather have phones confiscated than have ushers asking people to delete their pictures while the show is going on.

Tommytheduck:

*snip* As an airline employee *snip* Sometimes I can go through with my wallet and belt, sometimes it beeps at them. This is why I'm constantly surprised that I'm told not to remove my keys or phone at parks, *snip*

There have been times at parks where I've already taken my keys and phone out of my pocket only to be told to hang on to them. Then, if the machine does beep, I'm told to just go ahead anyways.

Quoting myself yet again. I guess I've now become one of "Those people." I used my position, in this case airport employee, to claim expertise over a certain area, in this case the security machines at airports. I guess the point here, and my mistake, is that these machines used at parks are completely different from the older, sensitive and annoying Metal Detectors that I have to go through at times. (I have refusal rights on the body scanners under normal circumstances.)

So if what I said above was wrong, apologies. But if it turns out that parks are just lazy, the machines are set too low, and that they really are just "Security Theater," then nyah! ;)

Late to the party, but what I learned is we can confiscate phones but not guns. U-S-A! U-S-A!