3 people, including 15-year-old, shot at Kennywood
So either the gun was walked in thru the front gate, a gun was passed thru/thrown over a fence, or there is hole in the fence that a person could use to get in the park.
Technology only works if it's used properly, and I don't really trust a park to properly use a state of the art technology like Evolv when they haven't figured out how to properly install fences.
No amount of algorithms, facial recognition, and machine learning will ever solve the "Good, Fast, Cheap" dilemma.
Kennywood has cheap and fast security so it can't be Good.
A.W. Mahn :
if a park doesn't have the staffing to ensure the safety of the guests, they have to stop admitting guests
I would be willing to bet that someone can get a gun into every park in the country, by some means. I guess that means every park should be immediately shut down.
It seems like you have an axe to grind with Kennywood.
Great point, every park can fire their security staff now.
Go unfreeze Walt Disney, you've just saved him millions!
Edit: you're right. I do kind of have an axe to grind because my son just turned 2 and his first major amusement park visit was going to Kennywood next week but now that doesn't seem like the best idea to everyone.
A.W. Mahn :
when they haven't figured out how to properly install fences.
The average handgun weighs 1.5 pounds. What do you propose they do, build a 30-foot tall fence so people can't throw one over?
A.W. Mahn :
Kennywood has cheap and fast security so it can't be Good.
How, pray tell, do they have "fast" security? Do they run around the park at 3x speed like with that cheat mode in RCT2?
Have you ever been to another park? Kennywood has one of the strongest public safety and police presences of any park I've been to. Even at SFA I can't say that I've seen county police on bicycles and horseback.
A.W. Mahn :
my son just turned 2 and his first major amusement park visit was going to Kennywood next week but now that doesn't seem like the best idea to everyone.
If you knew that Kennywood had bad security before this incident why were you going to take your son there?
A.W. Mahn :
going to Kennywood next week but now that doesn't seem like the best idea
Now is probably the best time to visit Kennywood. Heightened security and potentially smaller crowds.
A.W. Mahn :
No amount of algorithms, facial recognition, and machine learning will ever solve the "Good, Fast, Cheap" dilemma.
And yet the TSA cannot get even one of these.
As an airline employee, I'm quite familiar with this type of machine at many airports. My biggest beef with TSA is that they are not consistent. Sometimes I can go through with my wallet and belt, sometimes it beeps at them. This is why I'm constantly surprised that I'm told not to remove my keys or phone at parks, when I've already done so out of both habit and a desire to keep the process moving.
There have been times at parks where I've already taken my keys and phone out of my pocket only to be told to hang on to them. Then, if the machine does beep, I'm told to just go ahead anyways. Who knows what else I could be hiding? I've always assumed it's because I'm a white guy in my mid 40's. (In reality, I'm half Lebanese, but let's not tell anyone that, ;) )
My guess is that the gun was brought into the park deliberately and easily. Not intimately familiar with KW, But I'm sure that if I wanted to, I could easily get a gun into my own home park, CP, with a minimal amount of pre-planning. The type of lowlife thug (yes, an assumption) who would do something like this has probably already figured out a way to sneak into the park and has done so before. A "cold dead hands" EDC gun owner would not randomly pop off at 3 people, and if they did, would typically be a much better shot.
I hope this does not hurt KW badly. I am going to KW Friday. The park will be less attended, and security will be greatly increased.
PhantomTails:
The average handgun weighs 1.5 pounds. What do you propose they do, build a 30-foot tall fence so people can't throw one over?
Mr. Phantom:
The park will be less attended
I’d bet there’s not a noticeable difference.
Judging by that interview the noticeable difference will be less teenagers in large groups. Yikes.
Tommytheduck:
Sometimes I can go through with my wallet and belt, sometimes it beeps at them. This is why I'm constantly surprised that I'm told not to remove my keys or phone at parks, when I've already done so out of both habit and a desire to keep the process moving.
There have been times at parks where I've already taken my keys and phone out of my pocket only to be told to hang on to them. Then, if the machine does beep, I'm told to just go ahead anyways.
Quoting myself, this article pretty much confirms what I wrote in my post above. Or at least speculates from Official Sources:
https://triblive.com/local/kennywood-shooting-raises-concerns-about...detectors/
I think this article could apply to just about any park and the 2 larger concerts I've been to recently.
She said they walked through the metal detectors with their keys and phones in their pockets, and nothing set off the detectors.
That's not how that system works. Most of that article fundamentally doesn't understand that. The whole point is to not have to take out keys and phones and such.
Jeff - Editor - CoasterBuzz.com - My Blog
The article quotes people who don't understand the security system and then allows a bunch of "experts" to make baseless suggestions as to all the ways the park could have failed at metal detecting. Seems like a bad report all around to me.
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Tommytheduck:
I think this article could apply to just about any park and the 2 larger concerts I've been to recently.
saw Elton John a few weeks ago, 30,000 people and the only security at the gates were the ticket takers, my wife commented how lackadaisical security was for a crowd that size.
the standard for every sporting event is still "Keys and phones out" it's bizarre to walk into a stadium, areana, or park and have the rules change based on if you're attending a concert or a sporting event.
A quick scan of Elton's ticket prices, and having an idea of his fans' age demo, makes it pretty clear why security is comparably lax at his concerts.
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Went to the Ohio State game Saturday night. Keys and wallet were in my pocket when I walked through the gate. Had my phone in my hand but it had my tickets on it. Wife had her phone in her pocket. Other sporting events I have attended recently required taking phones and keys out of your pockets. So I don't think there is a universal approach and depends on the screening tech being used.
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