# of trains on B:TR's?

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At the risk of bringing this back on topic, most of B&M's newer, smaller inverted coasters seem to have only seven rows now.

Examples in addition to those already mentioned include Nemesis Inferno at Thorpe Park and Batman la Fuga at Movie World Madrid.

Obviously not an invert, but B:DK also only has 7.

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Ya my guest would be to save money. This isnt a Flagged SF so they will spend less money on that park.

The older ones have eight cars and the newer ones have 7 because of a newer train design. The new car design is slightly heavier than the old one but does not require a supprort beam to go along the bottom of the seats. They gave it less rows so it would not be ehavier than the others. Tank a look.

http://rcdb.com/installationgallery5.htm?Picture=4

there is a bar going across the bottom of the seats in that picture. The original Invert.

http://rcdb.com/installationgallery1567.htm?Picture=10

no bar across the seat to supprt them, each is individually supported.

i belive that may be the answer to it.

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If that is correct, then why does Top Gun at Carowinds have the new train design, but 8 cars per train?

Were the new trains shortened only on B:TR clones to prevent having to redesign the track?
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my guess it that they designed it to accomodate 8 cars with the new train weight. they shrotned the BTR trains so they would not have to alter the track design. it basicly goes the smae speed with 1 less car now.

B:TR at SFGAdv. does not have the bar across the bottom and has 8 cars. Sorry. (Maybe it was Talon...one of the two, but both definitely have 8 cars and one of them definitely does not have the bar).

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Could it just be down to B&M wanting to soften down their rides so that they're less intense in the back? It seems standard now that their inverters (smaller ones, at least) are 7 cars - the last three at least only have 7.

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DRAGON82487 said:
my guess it that they designed it to accomodate 8 cars with the new train weight. they shrotned the BTR trains so they would not have to alter the track design. it basicly goes the smae speed with 1 less car now.
No, that's just a coincidence because most of the B:TR clones are older rides (thus with older trains). Both of the Texas B:TR clones run with the newer style trains and eight rows. As I said before, they're shortened only because the park doesn't want to fork over the extra cash.
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BTR in texas does have the newer trains,

http://www.coasterphotos.com/SFOT/batman32.htm

as seen in that picture, no bar across the bottom.

i was wrong then, it happens. but i scarcely belive that park wuldnt want to fork over the cash for an extra row. maybe they didnt want a too intence back seat but its probably hardly a money issue.
*** This post was edited by DRAGON82487 7/11/2003 3:36:05 PM ***

SFNO's Batman is a 7-row train coaster...

As I said before, there's *no* noticable difference in intensity between the back of Le Vampire and the back of any B:TR clone. On average there's going to be some measurable difference, but Le Vampire on a hot day will probably pull more forces than B:TR on a cold day. If the park wanted a less intense ride, they wouldn't buy a B:TR clone!

It's absolutely *completely* a cost issue. Not only do you add the actual cost of two extra rows (one for each train), but your station needs to be bigger, you need more air gates, etc.

-Nate

It isn't cost as Tussauds have always wanted eight rows on Inferno. If Tussauds cared about cost, they would have got rid of things that they didn't need such as £15,000 sound systems in the station, misters on the volcano and a lot of the theming around the ride (like they did Colossus) over dropping a car.

You really think B&M said "Uh, no" to Thorpe?? Why would they? There's no reason for it.

My best guess is that Tussauds realized that adding another row to the ride isn't necessary for capacity because the ride is so darn short. Le Vampire also has theming (though nothing approaching Inferno) and a misted tunnel, but it runs seven row trains on a ride that has run eight-row trains on almost every other incarnation of it!

As I said, additional rows are large cost factors. Tussauds have always tried to make their rides look great, and I think the theming was important on Inferno to help solidify the park's image as a theme park. Therefore, I think it's likely the cut out what they didn't need (the extra rows) instead of cutting out what they felt they did (the theming).

-Nate

It seems strange that every park who has had a B&M coaster recently has been so concerned with saving money when it's never been an issue before.

Also, Tussauds don't care THAT much about making their rides look good - Colossus and more significantly Air had their budgets cut over and over but never had a row removed from the train. Why do you think that is?

Finally, if cost is the issue, why did Superman (Movie World) not have a row removed like Batman which was put in at the same time? It seems odd that the only ride parks want to remove rows to save money on is an inverted coaster. Surely a lot more money would have been saved on the floorless coaster as there would be less dropping floor etc.

I just find it strange that rides like Superman Ride of Steel and Scream! are going in with eight rows, and rides like Batman aren't.

I'm not sure of this question's relevence to the topic, but why do most B&M inverts have the first two rows' connection be non-articulating?

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1567.htm?Picture=6

Is this standard on inverts? The feature hasn't been carried over to other B&M models, as far as I know.

Out of curiousity, Marcus Sheen, what was going to be added to AIR and its theming that was cut due to budget issues?

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