Most 'braked' coaster??
On Cal Screamin', those are all midcourse brakes, not trims. They allow for the 6 train operation.
Viper has lots, but the train totally powers through the trims at the bottom of the first loop, hardly noticable. In the rain, this sucker hauls buns!
Revolution is the one that really gets killed by over-braking. That puppy used to fly over the numerous camel-backs, now I am surprised that it does not rollback more often. Anton got this one right, SFMM killed it.
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Viper has lots, but the train totally powers through the trims at the bottom of the first loop, hardly noticable. In the rain, this sucker hauls buns!
Revolution is the one that really gets killed by over-braking. That puppy used to fly over the numerous camel-backs, now I am surprised that it does not rollback more often. Anton got this one right, SFMM killed it.
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"X" marks the spot in 2001!
I agree Soggy, you wouldn't even know there were brakes on Viper's loop if no one told you. There is no notice speed decrease at all. Same with Mantis first drop. Some coasters are braked pretty heavily, ruining any chances for a consistently enjoyable ride. But in most other cases people completely over-exaggerate the presence of trims just to unfairly discredit a coaster. I wish this would stop.
the mean streak is horrible. true you got off the ride hurting before the breaks were added, but now. the should take the breaks off and put a sign up. DO NOT RIDE THIS RIDE UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE HURTING FOR AN HOUR AFTER YOU GET OFF. i would go on it without the breaks before i will go on it with the breaks.
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front car on mf. hope you have the chance to do it.
Mean Streak is not that bad.
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-daniel j. haverlock-
'99 Magnum Count: 801
www.spiritofthepoint.com
>Will Titan have brakes just like Goliath?
(Sarcasm on) Uh..let me think. Maybe. (Sarcasm off.)
Let's be honest. Giavanola's coasters are too tall for the small footprint, and as a result, the accumulated speed is too high for the track length and layout, making midcourse brakes mandatory. I mean when coaster enthusiasts say "Thank God that coaster has a midcourse brake", it's not because they're wimps, and not because the coaster is too tall, or too long or too fast. It's because the COASTER has too many G's. Excessive G's in this case are the result of excess speed due to lack of track length and footprint constraints.
The only question is why SF keeps buying these artless, "turnaround after the first drop", cramped, blackout-inducing, brakes required, towering, airless coasters . WHAT IS THE THRILL IN HEIGHT AND EXCESSIVE G's WITHOUT AIR?
BILL
(Sarcasm on) Uh..let me think. Maybe. (Sarcasm off.)
Let's be honest. Giavanola's coasters are too tall for the small footprint, and as a result, the accumulated speed is too high for the track length and layout, making midcourse brakes mandatory. I mean when coaster enthusiasts say "Thank God that coaster has a midcourse brake", it's not because they're wimps, and not because the coaster is too tall, or too long or too fast. It's because the COASTER has too many G's. Excessive G's in this case are the result of excess speed due to lack of track length and footprint constraints.
The only question is why SF keeps buying these artless, "turnaround after the first drop", cramped, blackout-inducing, brakes required, towering, airless coasters . WHAT IS THE THRILL IN HEIGHT AND EXCESSIVE G's WITHOUT AIR?
BILL
DWeaver said:
"I agree Soggy, you wouldn't even know there were brakes on Viper's loop if no one told you. There is no notice speed decrease at all. Same with Mantis first drop. Some coasters are braked pretty heavily, ruining any chances for a consistently enjoyable ride. But in most other cases people completely over-exaggerate the presence of trims just to unfairly discredit a coaster. I wish this would stop."
Right on!
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"I agree Soggy, you wouldn't even know there were brakes on Viper's loop if no one told you. There is no notice speed decrease at all. Same with Mantis first drop. Some coasters are braked pretty heavily, ruining any chances for a consistently enjoyable ride. But in most other cases people completely over-exaggerate the presence of trims just to unfairly discredit a coaster. I wish this would stop."
Right on!
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BL said:
"The only question is why SF keeps buying these artless, "turnaround after the first drop", cramped, blackout-inducing, brakes required, towering, airless coasters . WHAT IS THE THRILL IN HEIGHT AND EXCESSIVE G's WITHOUT AIR?"
As RandyHutchinson said in regard to Mean Streak: for promotional sake. It's like the situation with Rattler. They could've done something really special there, but the idea of "biggest, tallest, fastest and most popular" went to their heads, and look at the consequences. I haven't yet ridden a Giovanola coaster, so I can not speak personally for Goliath or Titan (but that will change in the next few months).
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"The only question is why SF keeps buying these artless, "turnaround after the first drop", cramped, blackout-inducing, brakes required, towering, airless coasters . WHAT IS THE THRILL IN HEIGHT AND EXCESSIVE G's WITHOUT AIR?"
As RandyHutchinson said in regard to Mean Streak: for promotional sake. It's like the situation with Rattler. They could've done something really special there, but the idea of "biggest, tallest, fastest and most popular" went to their heads, and look at the consequences. I haven't yet ridden a Giovanola coaster, so I can not speak personally for Goliath or Titan (but that will change in the next few months).
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Wow...I love all this Mean Streak smack. I was more disappointed with that ride than any other I've ever been on, and I'm glad others agree. That coaster is the single biggest reason trim brakes on drops should be banned. Actually, trim brakes anywhere except the station platform area should be banned. :)
One would have to be Knott's Windjammer (before it closed). That thing STOPS COMPLETELY at the MCBR and it hits the MCBR at a pathetic speed of ONLY 10-15 MPH! WHY? WHY? WHY? And then those guide wheels come in and pushes it off the MCBR into the rest of the ride where all it feels like is basically going down a ROCKY mountainside on a skateboard going 2 mph! C'mon!
Montu? I rode it over spring break and didn't feel a thing as far as brakes go... The brake run is just a given. Ride it in the far left. It's the same feeling.
Mantis? I happen to be one of the few (it seems) that does not mind the first drop brakes. The thing was downright nasty without them.
I really don't like it when people see the need to completely bash a coaster on roughness. Sure, Mean Streak is rough, but it's also wooden. Were you expecting a glass smooth experience? Nor did I. Sure, it's only a shade of it's former glory (or whatever it was) but it's not a terrible coaster by any right. Cedar Point just has this complex with tall coasters. Between the Streaks, they don't have a presentable, top 25 wooden coaster. MS isn't bad, but the people that have never heard of 'Summers and Dinn' or even 'Beast' don't mind it. It has lines.
I love the math with Gemini and the GP at CP. 95% think it's a wooden coaster. That's cool with me. If they ain't riding it, I will. And it'll give me more time to as well. The secret does not need to be let out just yet. :)
I'm thinking American Eagle would be correct. The thing crawls (and I mean crawls...) through the helix part now. It's really sad.
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Mantis? I happen to be one of the few (it seems) that does not mind the first drop brakes. The thing was downright nasty without them.
I really don't like it when people see the need to completely bash a coaster on roughness. Sure, Mean Streak is rough, but it's also wooden. Were you expecting a glass smooth experience? Nor did I. Sure, it's only a shade of it's former glory (or whatever it was) but it's not a terrible coaster by any right. Cedar Point just has this complex with tall coasters. Between the Streaks, they don't have a presentable, top 25 wooden coaster. MS isn't bad, but the people that have never heard of 'Summers and Dinn' or even 'Beast' don't mind it. It has lines.
I love the math with Gemini and the GP at CP. 95% think it's a wooden coaster. That's cool with me. If they ain't riding it, I will. And it'll give me more time to as well. The secret does not need to be let out just yet. :)
I'm thinking American Eagle would be correct. The thing crawls (and I mean crawls...) through the helix part now. It's really sad.
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