Most mistake coaster ever
I'm just saying, where are these CP coasters going to be in 10 years? Obviously, MF will be able to still be up there, but will they be left behind with all the newer stand-ups, inverts, gigas, hypers, mine trains, suspendeds,... or will they be just fine? I hear a lot about them getting one of the next TA2K. Is it too early again? Especially for a park that likes to be the best out there. I don't know. Will all their coasters be able to stand the test of time? Can a park get more than one or two of a type of coaster? Where will they put the quadra(fake name for 400' coaster)? Is 3 sitdown non-loopers ok for a park? Did Iron Wolf use to be a good coaster or was it just a slight B&M mistake? Too many questions but just something to think about.
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Very simple answer to Koaster King's whole point. SOMEONE HAS TO BUILD THEM FIRST!. The only thing you can say about CP is that they are willing to raise the bar for everyone else, and are also willing to let others improve on their design. CP is very respectable because of this, in my opinion. I'm glad CP is willing to take the risks involved with building "first-of-a-kinds". but, then again, if they didn't, someone else would. SFMM is already showing us they're willing to with X. In a few years, X will probably not be the best of its kind, but it'll always be remembered the most fondly. And, it will still be a crowd favorite.
I think thats the point of building new and unique rides, to entrance people for many years. Magnum (the #1 steel coaster according to FANS) has been a crowd favorite for 12 years now, i can't remember a time (besides ERT with ACE) that i got on Magnum with less than a 1/2 hour wait. I don't think any roller coaster ever has been a mistake, there are just coasters that are not as enjoyable as others. Windjammer sounded really cool when it was announced, but it was just poorly engineered.
Enough from me, I think I need to relax myself before i go crazy here, waiting three more weeks so I can get my butt to SFGAm. Sitting in a dorm room in West Lafayette, IN is really hard with so many new coasters opening all around me! ARG!
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I think thats the point of building new and unique rides, to entrance people for many years. Magnum (the #1 steel coaster according to FANS) has been a crowd favorite for 12 years now, i can't remember a time (besides ERT with ACE) that i got on Magnum with less than a 1/2 hour wait. I don't think any roller coaster ever has been a mistake, there are just coasters that are not as enjoyable as others. Windjammer sounded really cool when it was announced, but it was just poorly engineered.
Enough from me, I think I need to relax myself before i go crazy here, waiting three more weeks so I can get my butt to SFGAm. Sitting in a dorm room in West Lafayette, IN is really hard with so many new coasters opening all around me! ARG!
~TodD~
So CP decided to build those coasters because "SOMEONE HAS TO BUILD THEM FIRST"? That's what I'm saying. Is it good for CF as a company to build one of the first's, because as you said someone else will build them? Shouldn't they wait and see the other's performance? Or do they know they're gonna get it right?
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Koaster King: Give it up already. You are contradicting yourself far too many times. So Cedar Point should have waited until this year to add an inverted (in order to perfect it)? Talon looks cool, but Raptor's layout is still better and longer. Plus, my first response when Talon was introduced was, "its about time"! Inverted coasters are no longer novelties.
So give CP credit for producing a killer coaster early that went beyond the Six Flags clones.
Another thing, should CP have waited a few more years to build Magnum and make it a little bigger (say 230ft.)? Other parks would have come along and constructed one a little higher. Magnum was a historic moment and CP set the stage. Give them credit they deserve.
*** This post was edited by Martling on 4/12/2001. ***
So give CP credit for producing a killer coaster early that went beyond the Six Flags clones.
Another thing, should CP have waited a few more years to build Magnum and make it a little bigger (say 230ft.)? Other parks would have come along and constructed one a little higher. Magnum was a historic moment and CP set the stage. Give them credit they deserve.
*** This post was edited by Martling on 4/12/2001. ***
KK:
I am sorry but I am still confused. Are we saying here that because a park takes a chance and builds a coaster that has never been built before it is a mistake? Does that mean that if the prototype is a mistake then the clones of the most popular/successful coasters are also mistakes? Does that mean that B&M, Premiere,Intamin, and the others should stop building coasters because they are mistakes anyway? Does that mean that Drachen Fire was a mistake too? I know it isn't popular among the the enthusiasts but, it was probably 6 to 7 years ahead of it's time when built. Think about what was learned from just that one coaster. In addition to learning the elements could be put together and would work we also learned that horse collars OSTR's are uncomfortable and will give you a headache when your head contacts them.
Today there are now many of those same elements in the new coasters does that make them mistakes as well?
If building a new prototype coaster is a mistake then virtually everything built this year would fall into that category.
My point is simply this: If building something new exciting and different is in fact creativity and after a few years due to new creative minds and applications a coaster falls from the anyones top ten list doesn't make it a mistake. What it makes is for great expectations for those of us who want new.
For the vast majority of the public they don't want new exciting and different every year. What they do want it a ride/attraction that they can enjoy year after year that will provide them with the same enjoyment year in and out. While parks push their season tickets as great values which is not untrue, the average person attending a park usually only goes once or perhaps twice a season. They not only want to ride the same rides again because of their good experience from the previous year. They are not necessarily looking for new and different thrills like us adrenalin junkies. They would rather be safe and secure in what they know rather than live life on the edge, and you know what; these are the people the parks actually cater to. There are many more of them than there are of us.
I am sorry but I am still confused. Are we saying here that because a park takes a chance and builds a coaster that has never been built before it is a mistake? Does that mean that if the prototype is a mistake then the clones of the most popular/successful coasters are also mistakes? Does that mean that B&M, Premiere,Intamin, and the others should stop building coasters because they are mistakes anyway? Does that mean that Drachen Fire was a mistake too? I know it isn't popular among the the enthusiasts but, it was probably 6 to 7 years ahead of it's time when built. Think about what was learned from just that one coaster. In addition to learning the elements could be put together and would work we also learned that horse collars OSTR's are uncomfortable and will give you a headache when your head contacts them.
Today there are now many of those same elements in the new coasters does that make them mistakes as well?
If building a new prototype coaster is a mistake then virtually everything built this year would fall into that category.
My point is simply this: If building something new exciting and different is in fact creativity and after a few years due to new creative minds and applications a coaster falls from the anyones top ten list doesn't make it a mistake. What it makes is for great expectations for those of us who want new.
For the vast majority of the public they don't want new exciting and different every year. What they do want it a ride/attraction that they can enjoy year after year that will provide them with the same enjoyment year in and out. While parks push their season tickets as great values which is not untrue, the average person attending a park usually only goes once or perhaps twice a season. They not only want to ride the same rides again because of their good experience from the previous year. They are not necessarily looking for new and different thrills like us adrenalin junkies. They would rather be safe and secure in what they know rather than live life on the edge, and you know what; these are the people the parks actually cater to. There are many more of them than there are of us.
Closed topic.
