What coasters do you think that a park made a mistake by putting in, and it should be torn down?
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Windjammer! Oh, wait... :)
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- Peabody
Most of CP's coasters. I don't know if you'll understand where I'm coming from but here goes:
1)MF-first giga and small one at that. The next gigas to come will most likely be bigger to compare to the ride, CP can't get another giga
2)Magnum-first hyper and possibly one of the worst(IMO), CP can't get another hyper
3)Raptor-one of the firsts inverts easily bested by the latter ones-Montu, DD, Aplengeist, Talon, CP can't get another invert
4)Mantis-actually a good choice mostly even though three SF coasters have beaten the records(Chang, GS, RR), CP can't get any more Stand-Ups
5)Mean Streak-one of the tallest, yet, voted one of the worst in past few years in wooden, a park can never have enough woodies, so I'll mainly leave this alone as they were trying to make a good one
6)Iron Dragon-one of the worst suspendeds IMO and overall rides period, very reridable, but boring, no more suspendeds(see Big Bad Wolf, PKI's Top Gun and The Bat, SFMM's Ninja)
7)DT worthless transformation to slightly ruin the lakeside with it's "warehouse" look
They just were too soon in making decisions for coasters like this. I respect them for always trying the biggest and best, but records are made to be broken. This is just my opinions. Don't hurt me...please. :(
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Koaster King, you know your statements are going to get people riled up. Be prepared for some lashing. Please people, if you are going to respond to him, do it in a constructive fashion. Dont be rude. Its his opinion whether you agree with it or not, respect it.
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I will respect your opinion Koaster King and not try to rip on you for it. (Even though I disagree! :) )
But, do you realize that using the same logic and reasoning the same things could be said about most of Kings Island's coasters? (If I'm not mistaken by previous posts, your loyalties lie with Kings Island, right?) I'm not trying to start an argument, but the same logic could be applied to almost any other park's coasters calling them mistakes!
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- Peabody
Anyone who reads my posts, knows that I'm a PKI person. That being said...
Those statements about CP's coasters were ridiculous. They are some of the best rollercoasters in the world. Cedar Point is consistantly ranked as the #1 park, and there is a reason for that.
Jacob
Please explain how the Beast can be a mistake! Also Top Gun is one of the best suspended coasters, and Vortex is one of Arrow's best mega-loopers.
I'll reserve my judgement on SOB when I ride it in May. Also, PKI has done its best to improve SOB, and FOF. What has Cedar Point done to their coasters? Added trim brakes all over Meanstreak, and on the first drop of Mantis.
Back to the question...
The biggest mistake ever was SFMM accepting the hideous Flashback (aka) Z-Force from SFOG.
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The trim on Mantis does nothing to ruin the ride. It's on very light, and you only notice it if you're looking for it. The ride is just as good as it always was. MS's trim, however, is a little too strong.
Jman
I'm not gonna get riled up, I just think people make too much of an effort to complain about parks. What are you looking for six flags utopia?
If you don't like it don't ride it!!
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I'd like to know why coaster king thinks Talon is going to be better than Raptor. Has he ridden Talon, I don't think so. It's my opinion that coaster king is simply biased against CP and therefore his comments are a reaffirmation of that bias. Gee, should SFKK tear down CHANG because it's records are broken, How about the Georgia Scorcher? According to the logic you've used here, any coaster that does not hold a record should be torn down. If everyone thought like you, there wouldn't be more than 20 coasters world wide.
Koaster King you asked for it. I had my first ride on Magnum this summer and after 10 years and 4 hypercoasters later, I thought it held up just fine with all the other ones I've ridden. Yes it's a little rough through the tunnels, but it's still a kick-ass ride. MF a small ride? You've got to be kidding me. Go on and laugh at me, but I think the chances of anyone adding another coaster of this height in America are slim. How many communities besides Sandusky would allow such a thing? The ride is 318ft. tall! As for the record breaking thing, that's what records are for-to be broken. No one runs a race only to stop and think "Gee I could set a record but someone else might break it later so I wont". It's like buying a computer, you have to jump in somewhere. I'm glad I'm going to Six Flags America for opening day today because these forums are getting crazy!
Mean Streak is the biggest waste of lumber I've ever senn/rode. It is supposed to be an extreme woodie, but how can it be with all those brakes.
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I have not ridden the coasters that Koasterking talks about so I can not comment specifically on those. However, I do see the logic.
Of the coasters that I am familiar with, I would have to say Kennywood's mistake by putting in Steel Phantom... and for the same reason Koasterking states in most of his comments. This was a nobel idea, but a bad design. When it opened, SP I think had the highest and fastest drop (a short lived record), and they went overboard and added all the inversions at the end. After that record was bested, all Kennywood had was a coaster with a big drop and a lot of painful elements at the end.
Of course, they have gotten smart with the transformation to Phantom's Revenge. Now hopefully they will have a good coaster (while not a record beater) that will have a life span of more than 10 years.
So if a park puts in a 200 ft. inverted coaster, does that make all the other inverted coasters garbage? What's your logic Koaster King? If it were not for Magnum, who knows, we might not even be talking about hyper coasters. With the exception of a few parks, most hypers have been built in just the last few years. Magnum is 12 years old now!!! Because of that, I don't see a lot of parks building giga coasters. MF cost $25 million. How many parks an absorb that when they are building Vekoma clones and cost-effective woodies instead?
Give Cedar point credit for putting in custom coasters that break new milestones.
I think I may understand KK's point. If the world didn't embrace new advances in rides then we would still be riding switchback railways, but, it seems that Koaster King believes that a ride is no longer worth riding once it's records are broken. "{B}ut records are made to be broken." I think this is a dangerous statement. Rides should be built for overall enjoyment and popular longevity. Records bring instant popularity and exposure. People come to the ride because of the novelty of seeing/riding the biggest, fastest, steepest, whatever. A good ride maintains popularity once the novelty wears off. I think most of CP's coasters meet this criteria. Records change, but the rides are still there and are just as enjoyable as when they were new. I still greatly enjoy Blue Streak and Wildcat even though they are nowhere near breaking any records.
I can't think of any coasters, I have experienced, I thought were a mistake. I've heard reports of several, but without actually riding them or seeing them, I can't pass judgement.
*** This post was edited by millrace on 4/11/2001. ***
Grant said:
"Please explain how the Beast can be a mistake! Also Top Gun is one of the best suspended coasters, and Vortex is one of Arrow's best mega-loopers."
It's not. I agree with you, but I was just saying that by the reasons Koster King called CPs coasters mistakes it could be called one too. If Magnum can be considered a mistake, why not the Beast. (Again, I don't believe that! :) )
In my opinion, no coasters are mistakes. I'm thankful for every one we get! Some may have not been great decisions (Windjammer, but even that wasn't the parks fault. That's why they're suing, right?), but who cares. Cloned, custom, breaked, unbreaked, hyper, kiddy, old, new, I don't care, I'll enjoy them all.
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- Peabody
I'm going to jump in again on this one. Millrace said what I was trying to say in my earlier post about Steel Phantom, but in much better words.
What made Steel Phantom a mistake was not that it lost the record, but that it was, in my opinion, a bad design. When we were at Kennywood, people were lining up for Racer, Jackrabbit and Thunderbolt (all much older rides) but the ten year old but painful Steel Phantom was a walk on.
Right now, at Hersheypark, Lightning Racer is the worlds only Dueling AND Racing coaster (not just Dueling, not just Racing). I think I heard where another park is considering one (I forget which... Silverwood? but I am not sure) that is supposed to be longer/bigger. When this happens, Lightning Racer's claim to fame of the ONLY dueling/racing coaster will be lost... but it will still be one heck of a ride!
Anybody that has been around for a while knows I am NOT a CP diehard (I'm an SF brat! :)), but I cant stand illogical statements either so I'll address KK.
1 & 2: Personally, I dont consider a "gigacoaster" to have any meaning. I look at Millie as a "really big hypercoaster". So from my standpoint 1)Millie isnt small and 2) CP did get a second hyper after Maggie.
3: Whlie Raptor is my least favorite B&M invert, who is to say that CP cant get a second invert (ala SFA w/ Mind Eraser and Two-Face) or even a third invert (ala SFGAm w/ B:TR, VV, and Deja Vu)? Sorry that claim holds no water.
4: Only Chang and Riddler's Revenge are bigger than Mantis. Georgia Scorcher is only 107 feet with 2 inversions. It's more like Iron Wolf than anything. Do your research first.
5: Mean Streak would have been the only one I would have given you too. Not too rough to me, just boring. It used to be good a few years ago though..
6: Iron Dragon is a family ride, not a thrill coaster. Kids cant just jump from Jr Gemini to Millie. A park needs "transitional coasters".
7: I'm not much impressed with CP's lakeside view in the first place (I grew up a 5min walk from Lake Michigan, water no longer impresses me). So the building doesnt bother me. Plus, I love dark rides, and that's about how I think of DT.
To address the main question, I've yet to run into a coaster I want to see gone. In fact there is only one (Carolina Goldrusher @ Carowinds) that I really dont want to ride again. A lot of coasters could be "better" (**koff**HULK**koff**) but that doesnt mean I want to see them gone. All the ones I have ridden have a place in their home parks. Somebody will ride them, and that's one less person in line for the ride I REALLY like :)
lata,
jeremy
5 - 4 - 3
how much longer will this thread last?
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"Boomerang will be the only roller coaster in the Midwest that will propel its riders both forwards and backwards" - Dan Keller
What is this...
A "Let's Dis Cedar Point For Everything They Got" thread?
I think not...
You are all entitled to your own opinions, but fact is fact, people...
According to the 2000 Golden Ticket Awards poll from Amusement Today Newspaper:
Magnum XL-200 = #1 coaster
Millennium Force = #2 coaster
Raptor = #5 coaster
Mean Streak = #16 coaster
Mantis = #24 coaster
World class thrills? I think so. The others they have are just fine. Not all coasters at their park have to rank within the top 25... especially since the rest of the best are much older, and it's expected!
*** This post was edited by Dawg Byte on 4/11/2001. ***
Closed topic.
