I have ridden most of the woodies in PA and they are very good. But I truly feel Ohio tops them in that category as well as steel. Ohio can match PA in the woodie dept coaster for coaster. Ohio also still has longer, faster, and larger woodies. And even when it comes to the old fashioned woodie, I feel Ohio prevails. I will take Villain, Racer(PKI), SOB, Beast, Meanstreak and Big Dipper over Thunderbolt, Phoenix, Racer(KW), Jack Rabbit, Thunderhawk, and Leap the Dips any day! I am not saying PA's woodies are bad. I just don't feel they can compare in any category including the old fashioned rough and tumble.