Mantis valleys?

As stated earlier, Mean Streak and Hercules are Summers and Dinn. If anyone can name ONE Summers and Dinn coaster that does not have at least 2 sets of trims then I will be a freaking goat.

Thunder Run? :)

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"Perfect" "Flawless" "Failsafe"

No machine has ever been any of these. Especially not rollercoasters, including B & M.

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Mamoosh said:

With two exceptions [Ghostrider, Blue Streak] Cedar Fair does not allow any of their wood coasters to run brake-free from lift to final brake run.

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...And Timbers, Zach's Zoomer, and Wolverine Wildcat. Note that three of those five are CCI's. CF has a good number of Summers/Dinn monsters noted for excessive braking, yet the Wolverine Wildcat is not braked and it is Summers/Dinn's first coaster. Hmmmmm.

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I couldn't even think about trims on Ga Cyclone (S-D isn't *just* for Scooby Doo anymore)....too busy holding on for dear life to even notice....:)

Edit: WW, may not have *brakes*, but the riders definitely deserve *a break*....see, spelling CAN be fun...;)

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Are you saying that GA Cyclone has too many trims or no trims? Sorry I just wasnt sure.

When did they add the trims on Mean Streak anyways, I was watching the first Americas Greatest Roller Coaster Thrills and there wasn't a trim I noticed.

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Emerging from the ashes of Eric 013...

I ride roller coasters alot. I don't know that much but, I would like to know what do they do when A coaster like Mantis, Medusa (east), and Apollo's Chariot valley? How can they stop the train from going back and firth threw a section of track?

Basically..

They have to wait.. kinda like when you roll a ball down one side of a bowl.. it rolls back up the other said.. then back and forth.

There is no way to stop a multiple ton train safely with the exception of just waiting for mother nature (and father physics) to take thier course..

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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82
Technical Services - 2002
Frightzone Screamster - 2002

I got stuck (didn't valley)on The American Eagle's final brakes, we had to sit in the train for 45 min. I recieved 3 passes to skip to the front of the line on any ride :) Basically waiting that long saved me a lot of time later!

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Red Garter Rob said:

Basically..

They have to wait.. kinda like when you roll a ball down one side of a bowl.. it rolls back up the other said.. then back and forth.

There is no way to stop a multiple ton train safely with the exception of just waiting for mother nature (and father physics) to take thier course..

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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82
Technical Services - 2002
Frightzone Screamster - 2002

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Then what do they do to get it back to the station?

Derrick Whittsett; To answer your question on how do they get it back to the station?

It depends on where the train is, sometimes they can pull it over a hill with a winch, or most of the time, it is required to uncouple the trains, and take the upstop wheels off, and lift the trains off with a crane, and reassemble the trains back together on the storage track.

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So you believe that you are studying us, then kindly explain why you are the ones trapped in your seats.

So when Mantis and Raptor valley, do they have to completely dismantle the trains like they did on Gemini? - That sure would be a lot of hard work.

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General Public said:

"Perfect" "Flawless" "Failsafe"

No machine has ever been any of these. Especially not rollercoasters, including B & M.

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Although this is true, B&M has the best saftey record (correct me if I'm wrong). There haven't been many (if any) incidents on a B&M where riders valleyed or were stuck on a lift.

B&M coasters are more expensive. There is a reason for this. They offer a more reliable product.

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Chang broke it's lifthill chain on opening weekend and one of AIR's stations went down mechanically for about two weeks, but I believe that those are still two of the worst "malfunctions" of a B&M coaster.

A couple of their rides have vallied before (Raptor, Mantis, and Superman Kripton Coaster come to mind), but adverse weather conditions played a role in at least the first two of those.

Never have two trains collided on a B&M coaster and never has there been a serious injury inflicted upon a rider (ignoring the girl who rode Kumba with a heart condition and later died).

To me, statistics like this are a good example of a park getting what it pays for with a coaster. B&M's are definitely swiss-engineer the "cadillacs" of coasters.

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What about Shivering Timbers? That runs brake-less.

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You have to remember, most CCI's are still pretty recent additions. If they aren't cared for properly I can't imagine how rough and over braked these rides could become 15 years form now.

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FoF said:
Derrick Whittsett; To answer your question on how do they get it back to the station?

It depends on where the train is, sometimes they can pull it over a hill with a winch, or most of the time, it is required to uncouple the trains, and take the upstop wheels off, and lift the trains off with a crane, and reassemble the trains back together on the storage track.

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So you believe that you are studying us, then kindly explain why you are the ones trapped in your seats.

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Thanks alot. I needed to know that for the longest!

B&M doesn't take chances, which I think in part, makes them a great company to receive coasters from a parks point of view, because you know they are reliable.

Most (except the flyers) of their coasters are not prototypes. Their stand-ups are updated versions of Togos and Intamins, except smoother and more comfortable, sit-downs are faster, taller, smoother and loopier than Arrows, and inverts are updated versions of the suspended coasters from Arrow. Basicully, they improve on a coaster, like the sit-down, and then they create a floorless coaster. It works to their advantage.

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Emerging from the ashes of Eric 013...

Some B&M's are also designed with active trims which make them less likely to valley. The coaster is actually designed to be a little to fast. The sensors then measure the speed of the train, and the computer orders just enougn trim to bring the speed down to the right amount.