What do you think of the fastpass
The system at SFNE was not bad. It was free and only for 3 or 4 rides. They had specific rows labeled for them and you knew that if you got in that row you may have to wait for a FastPasser. It seemed fairly easy and a smooth process. At SFGAm, it worked ok on some of the bigger rides, because those with FastPass simply got shoved into the line at the bottom of the stairs so they still had to wait, specially if they want good seats.
VIPER said:
"How would people feel on Millennium Force if they had a fastlane? When I took my Cedar Point trip 1 day I had to wait 3 hours for 1 ride and the other 4 days usual 2 hour wait. I personaly dont think its fare for those of you waiting for 2 hours for a 1 time ride and for those with a fastlane get to ride first I think it would draw a lot of heat towards the park would anyone else agree?
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Actually the first season Millennium Force was open they DID have a fast pass lane.
People, people. These FP systems were not desgined to screw the people waiting in the stand-by line. They were designed to let you enjoy the rest of the park. Instead of waiting 80 minutes for Space Mountain, you could enjoy a flat ride or two plus a show. If we didn't use Disney's FP this year, I doubt we would have done everything we wanted in 8 days.
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Beeman65
Assistant Webmaster
Kennywood Park Unlimited
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Beeman65
Assistant Webmaster
Kennywood Park Unlimited
www.kpunlimited.com
You may not wait 80 minutes for one instance of space mountain, but you pay for it with longer waits for your other rides. I don't think you'd spend any more time in the park than without the system.
Case in point:
When I was at DCA, I saved about 40 minutes on California Soarin'. But that 40 minutes was easily taken up by having to wait about a half hour longer for the water ride (to let fast passers past), and bits and pieces of extra time (which probably totaled more than 10 minutes) spent in the California Screamin' line.
Not to mention the frustration of watching people get on the ride in front of you. It's bad enough when some punk kid tries it.
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Yeeee Haaawwww! *** This post was edited by janfrederick on 7/20/2001. ***
Case in point:
When I was at DCA, I saved about 40 minutes on California Soarin'. But that 40 minutes was easily taken up by having to wait about a half hour longer for the water ride (to let fast passers past), and bits and pieces of extra time (which probably totaled more than 10 minutes) spent in the California Screamin' line.
Not to mention the frustration of watching people get on the ride in front of you. It's bad enough when some punk kid tries it.
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Yeeee Haaawwww! *** This post was edited by janfrederick on 7/20/2001. ***
Beeman65 said:
"People, people. These FP systems were not desgined to screw the people waiting in the stand-by line. They were designed to let you enjoy the rest of the park. Instead of waiting 80 minutes for Space Mountain, you could enjoy a flat ride or two plus a show. If we didn't use Disney's FP this year, I doubt we would have done everything we wanted in 8 days.
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Oh please. You're making it sound like those who don't like the system are uneducated. You're right, the systems weren't DESIGNED to screw the people waiting in line, BUT THEY DO! Just as Communism wasn't "designed" to screw over their citizens (as I mentioned in a similar topic. Sorry, my history teacher emphasized this a lot.)
As for not being able to do Disney in 8 days...Huh? With the park hopper pass, my family and I did most of Disney World in ONE day! We hit MGM in the morning, did all of the rides there(A few times), took the monorail to Magic Kingdom and got on all of the major rides there, then went to Epcot at night for fireworks. Keeping in mind that we did not use fastpass, I'd say that 8 days is plenty, wouldn't you?
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scanz said:
People People my ***. You're making it sound like those who don't like the system are uneducated. You're right, the systems weren't DESIGNED to screw the people waiting in line, BUT THEY DO! Just as Communism wasn't "designed" to screw over their citizens (as I mentioned in a similar topic. Sorry, my history teacher emphasized this a lot.)
As for not being able to do Disney in 8 days...Huh? With the park hopper pass, my family and I did most of Disney World in ONE day! We hit MGM in the morning, did all of the rides there(A few times), took the monorail to Magic Kingdom and got on all of the major rides there, then went to Epcot at night for fireworks. Keeping in mind that we did not use fastpass, I'd say that 8 days is plenty, wouldn't you?
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Good for you. Take those people who use the FP line. Eliminate the FP alltogether. Now put all thsoe people in the standby line. What do you get? An even longer line than 80 minutes or whatever. Then people, some like you, would complain about the need for a FP system. Fickle.
Anyways if you pay that much to go to WDW, it sure is nice to have something in return.
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Beeman65
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Kennywood Park Unlimited
www.kpunlimited.com
The cumulative ride wait is not going to change-fastpass or not. The only thing that can change your overall wait in line are faster operators and higher capacity rides.
The idea that this system allows people to spend more time in the park is incorrect.
All the system does is allow folks to be happier and one point of their stay at the expense of letting other people in front of them during the other parts of their stay.
I'd trade that little 5 minutes of happiness I get when I cut in front of the people who didn't get the fast pass for the 2 hours of aggravation I experience in the remaining lines. *** This post was edited by janfrederick on 7/20/2001. ***
The idea that this system allows people to spend more time in the park is incorrect.
All the system does is allow folks to be happier and one point of their stay at the expense of letting other people in front of them during the other parts of their stay.
I'd trade that little 5 minutes of happiness I get when I cut in front of the people who didn't get the fast pass for the 2 hours of aggravation I experience in the remaining lines. *** This post was edited by janfrederick on 7/20/2001. ***
It seems theses systems sure are good for one thing, they have pissed a lot of people off. If it angers half the people in the world can it really be that good of a thing?
Some points I would like to make.
1. Dose not increase ride capacity, if anything it decreases it from the mess it causes on some platforms
2. Disney Fastpass is built around an attraction based park, were as the systems which people are complaining built are built around ride based parks. There is a big difference between the ride capacity and line habits of a hunted house or a 2000 leagues under the sea attraction compared to a B&M coaster.
I am indifferent on the subject. I think Virtual Queuing is a good idea if implemented properly. For major attractions which bear long lines, bring it. For walk on, keep the system away.
Some points I would like to make.
1. Dose not increase ride capacity, if anything it decreases it from the mess it causes on some platforms
2. Disney Fastpass is built around an attraction based park, were as the systems which people are complaining built are built around ride based parks. There is a big difference between the ride capacity and line habits of a hunted house or a 2000 leagues under the sea attraction compared to a B&M coaster.
I am indifferent on the subject. I think Virtual Queuing is a good idea if implemented properly. For major attractions which bear long lines, bring it. For walk on, keep the system away.
slithernoggin said:
"Interesting that you equate money with nice things. Single parents who work nearly the equivalent of 2 full time jobs are depriving their children of their only parent for far too long. A week at Disney World, a day at Six Flags is no replacement for spending time with children at home each night.
If money is THAT tight, stay home, take the kids camping, or to the lake. From my personal experience, outings with family to camp in my aunt's back 40, or visits to the South Haven beach, are far more treasured than our visits to Cedar Point or other parks. Again, you seem to be making the equation that money = quality. In the case of the fast pass, money equals convenience and no more. Not every one can afford a fast pass, not everyone wants a fast pass. Not everyone can afford to take their family to a theme park, not everyone wants to."
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You're thinking about this from the perspective of somebody who's been through it all and now understands what is more memorable. But think of it from the perspective of the kids. The kids, who've never been to an amusement park before, want more than anything to experience what they've heard their friends talking about for years. While the experience at an amusement park isn't exactly "quality" time, what teenager strives for quality time with their parents?
when it was said that you had to wait for fast lane holders in line to board your row that's not exactly correct.I know at SFA the fast lane row is blocked off from the regular line,there is a sign that reads this row reserved for fast lane.so you can't even board that row from the regular line,I kind of think the system stinks cause if there are no fast lane pass holders at that time the ride op's end up just dispatching the train with that row empty.
When I went to IoA, I noticed how the fastpass system effectively doubled the wait times for the normal line. Using Spiderman for example, the regular line would wait well over an hour so they can board one vehicle at the time, while fastpass people boarded the other vehicle. Now, say they eliminated fastpass, the wait time would be cut in half. That would be a much better option overall. The same could be applied to River Adventure, in which one boat was the waiters, and one was fastpasses... Quite stupid to double the wait time for most people, just so a few can ride without waiting. As for coasters, while it may not double the wait time, it did lengthen it. It's quite obviously more efficient to not bother with a fastpass system than to have one.
Run right, the Fastpass system is probably a good idea, but it's all in the details. It should not be used to create an elite group of guests who get favored over others, either by an extra charge or by requiring a stay at a park run hotel. Also if you issue too many Fastpass tickets, both the Fastpass and regular lines bog down. If it is done right you get more time to spend on lower demand attractions instead of spending all of you time in line for high demand attractions.
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