What do you think of the fastpass
its good as long as it's run right like disney's system but if you pay for it they might as well add the $10 on to the price for the park because you pay $25 to enter then you pay another $10 to have a good time
it doesn't really help either that the people waiting in line have to stand there and watch people just walk right through the exit and get on
it doesn't really help either that the people waiting in line have to stand there and watch people just walk right through the exit and get on
The fastlane system of Disney is good, it is free and everybody can use it. The fastlane of SF stinks!, this system is legal linecutting. (We have to pay, to use it)
I dislike both versions. Do away with it. Add more rides if you want people to spend less time in line. People will get exhausted (non-enthusiasts of course!) from all the walk-ons, and need a break. Perhaps in a nice air-conditioned shop.
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Yeeee Haaawwww!
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Yeeee Haaawwww!
yeah, soon the fast passes will be so popular, that the regular line will probably be shorter. so i just say screw it.
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t h e r e s a monkey in my pocket and he stealing all my change, his stare is blank and glassy i suspect that hes diranged.....
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t h e r e s a monkey in my pocket and he stealing all my change, his stare is blank and glassy i suspect that hes diranged.....
janfrederick said:
"I dislike both versions. Do away with it. Add more rides if you want people to spend less time in line. "
I like your perspective on the FP/FL systems because you are consistant. If the idea is right enough to be free (Disney, SFA, SFGAdv) then it is right enough for a charge (SFGAm, SFoG, SFMW). The issue of "fairness" for the "underprivilaged" is irrelavent.
Personally, I like the FASTPASS idea. Moreover, I would be willing to pay for it. My time is far more valuable than my money. Now since I am no longer a poor struggling college student, I actually have more money than time (in school it was the opposite). My homepark is SFA and I have only used the pass once on Two-Face. If SFA started charging, *I* probably wouldnt use it, because I could always go there another day. BUT, when I go on my once a year visit to SFGAm with my fam, you better believe I'm springing for the extra dough to ride V2. If 10 bucks is gonna save me two hours, I consider that a VERY fair trade. I'll use that time to re-ride B:TR while the crowd is queueing for V2.
And the notion of someone "taking your seat", my advice is to relax a little and take a deep breath for the whole five minutes extra you had to wait. It's funny, no one seemed to think it was okay for the SFMW folks to boo the GRP members for "Legal Line Cutting", but are mad at Joe Schmoe for plunking down a few bucks to better enjoy his day.
Oh well, once again, hypocracy prevails. God bless America!
lata,
jeremy
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"I propose that a smart death ray be designed to smite any who attempt to smoke in a line queue. " - Figaro
Call me egalitarian, but I think that everybody should have the same opportunity to have the same amount of fun in the park. The system creates two classes of people. It takes away from the experience. People will get upset. When they are upset, they are less likely to buy souveniers from the park.
Hey, I can afford it...but I wouldn't want to deal with 'dirty' looks etc.
It's just too messy and raises too many eyebrows.
Idea:
If you want to make it fair, do away with the regular line. Make everybody get a pass to get on( DCA style). Then, after hanging out in the park, come back for a shorter wait. Do this for all the rides.
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But again, it makes the experience way too formal. When I go to a park...I don't want to have to worry about "missing appointments" I just want to get on a ride if it suits my mood. I don't want to see people getting let on in front of me for any reason. Wanna ride? Get in line. All of our time is valuable at a park. Don't ream us for it.
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Yeeee Haaawwww!
Hey, I can afford it...but I wouldn't want to deal with 'dirty' looks etc.
It's just too messy and raises too many eyebrows.
Idea:
If you want to make it fair, do away with the regular line. Make everybody get a pass to get on( DCA style). Then, after hanging out in the park, come back for a shorter wait. Do this for all the rides.
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But again, it makes the experience way too formal. When I go to a park...I don't want to have to worry about "missing appointments" I just want to get on a ride if it suits my mood. I don't want to see people getting let on in front of me for any reason. Wanna ride? Get in line. All of our time is valuable at a park. Don't ream us for it.
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Yeeee Haaawwww!
Hummm, as far as I see, people are still over the " legal line cutting thing "... GROW UP! Disney "Fast Pass" is perfect ( for certain rides ). Take DLP for example. On Indiana Jones, before Fast Pass, on a average day, the average wait was... 90 minutes. But, with Fast Pass, on very crowded days ( 60000+ guests ), the stand-by wait never goes over 90 or 120 minutes in the worst case. Plus, there are the Fast Pass machines near by if you don't want to wait that.
Peter Pan's Flight is the only ride where its doesn't work, beside, simply said, capacity is too horrible on the ride.
While at Space Mountain... Average line in the summer, with 5 trains, the best ops in the world, etc. was 2 hours to 3 hours. With Fast Pass?? 45 to 60 minutes and that is the stand-by wait. While I wait for my Fast Pass to be valid, what do I do? Well, there are big capacity rides where you whould wait never more than 30 minutes, Fast Pass or not in the park!
Remember this, its a choice you have, Fast Pass or not Fast Pass?
Peter Pan's Flight is the only ride where its doesn't work, beside, simply said, capacity is too horrible on the ride.
While at Space Mountain... Average line in the summer, with 5 trains, the best ops in the world, etc. was 2 hours to 3 hours. With Fast Pass?? 45 to 60 minutes and that is the stand-by wait. While I wait for my Fast Pass to be valid, what do I do? Well, there are big capacity rides where you whould wait never more than 30 minutes, Fast Pass or not in the park!
Remember this, its a choice you have, Fast Pass or not Fast Pass?
Several points on this issue.
#1 The cost of these passes at SFGAM are only 10. If you cant afford 10, you should not be there. Besides, if you use the standard Coke can discount you save 10 anyway so now you are back up to spending the 40 original cost.
#2 This is a marketing plan to allow people to spend more time spending time/money at other attractions. I am not sure if Six Flags is public corporation or not but if I am a stock holder, I want them to make the most money they can.
#3 Look at how many people waste more than 10 winning stupid stuffed animals that are costing SF pennies on the dollar. Those things are a utter waste of money and to me really devalue a parks reputation. They are no better than traveling carny's.
#4 I went to business school. I look at the cost/benefit analysis of where I would spend my day if I didnt have the pass. I am maxing my opportunities to ride versus my time available to ride.
#5 With the exception of the die hard coaster riders who I respect, the majority of the people at the parks are punk kids who deserve no respect.
Someday they will have the money to buy their own passes.
#6 I would rather pay 100 a day than to wait in lines. Even schedule reservations to the park. That would keep the lines short.
#1 The cost of these passes at SFGAM are only 10. If you cant afford 10, you should not be there. Besides, if you use the standard Coke can discount you save 10 anyway so now you are back up to spending the 40 original cost.
#2 This is a marketing plan to allow people to spend more time spending time/money at other attractions. I am not sure if Six Flags is public corporation or not but if I am a stock holder, I want them to make the most money they can.
#3 Look at how many people waste more than 10 winning stupid stuffed animals that are costing SF pennies on the dollar. Those things are a utter waste of money and to me really devalue a parks reputation. They are no better than traveling carny's.
#4 I went to business school. I look at the cost/benefit analysis of where I would spend my day if I didnt have the pass. I am maxing my opportunities to ride versus my time available to ride.
#5 With the exception of the die hard coaster riders who I respect, the majority of the people at the parks are punk kids who deserve no respect.
Someday they will have the money to buy their own passes.
#6 I would rather pay 100 a day than to wait in lines. Even schedule reservations to the park. That would keep the lines short.
themonkeymaster99 said:
"yeah, soon the fast passes will be so popular, that the regular line will probably be shorter. so i just say screw it."
Well if that happened, then we would have just reversed the roles of the two seperate lines! Anyways, that can't happen, because the parks only issue out so many.
While a lot of people hate it, you can't deny how nice it is to wait a very short time(usually) for what is a ride that usually has a long line. I'll take a few nasty looks to get on my ride before that person rides. People are willing to buy it, so sadly, it may be here to stay. We'll see how it all works out. BTW, do more and more SF parks get FastPass everyday?
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CDNSN
People people! No need to tell folks who hold a different opinion to grow up.
$100 for not waiting in a line? Perhaps you could get together with a few other folks with a hundred bucks and rent the park for a day during the off season.
Anyway, I don't like long lines like anybody else. My time is valuable too! That's why I try to go during weekdays. But on some occassions, I don't have the option. When I do go, and spend a small fortune to get in, I want to enjoy myself. I can do without folks getting on in front of me. Keep it simple! Call me old fashioned. But let everybody wait their turn. That's that.
$100 for not waiting in a line? Perhaps you could get together with a few other folks with a hundred bucks and rent the park for a day during the off season.
Anyway, I don't like long lines like anybody else. My time is valuable too! That's why I try to go during weekdays. But on some occassions, I don't have the option. When I do go, and spend a small fortune to get in, I want to enjoy myself. I can do without folks getting on in front of me. Keep it simple! Call me old fashioned. But let everybody wait their turn. That's that.
Adding $10 to the admission wouldn't be even remotely fair, as not everyone gets FastPass'es. And if everyone DID get them, then you've negated FastPass completely, and all you've done is add $10 to admission. This is something NOBODY wants.
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--Greg
http://www.pobox.com/~gregleg/
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--Greg
http://www.pobox.com/~gregleg/
i know but from people have said about the SF fastpasses, the lines are really long unless you get them
so you have to pay an extra 10 dollars to have a good time
so you have to pay an extra 10 dollars to have a good time
scanz said:
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Oh please. You're making it sound like those who don't like the system are uneducated. You're right, the systems weren't DESIGNED to screw the people waiting in line, BUT THEY DO! Just as Communism wasn't "designed" to screw over their citizens (as I mentioned in a similar topic. Sorry, my history teacher emphasized this a lot.)
As for not being able to do Disney in 8 days...Huh? With the park hopper pass, my family and I did most of Disney World in ONE day! We hit MGM in the morning, did all of the rides there(A few times), took the monorail to Magic Kingdom and got on all of the major rides there, then went to Epcot at night for fireworks. Keeping in mind that we did not use fastpass, I'd say that 8 days is plenty, wouldn't you?
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Hey, when did you go , the off-season? well, for the rest of us with a single parent(my Mom) who do not have the luxury of going in the off-season, the FP system is the best thing i have seen in a park. It is great. I went this last season on a saturday. you do realize that the fp system does cut down on some ride lins. so what are you complaining about. the lines are much shorter. rather than the 3 hr. wait for splsh mtn. without the fastpass we only waited 30 min. tand this was at noon! so basicaly what i am trying to say is that all of you synical people out there that do not like the fp system, You people are lunatics, straight up lunatics. It is great.
*** This post was edited by Ghostrider2001 on 7/23/2001. ***
janfrederick said:
"Call me egalitarian, but I think that everybody should have the same opportunity to have the same amount of fun in the park. The system creates two classes of people. It takes away from the experience. People will get upset. When they are upset, they are less likely to buy souveniers from the park.
Hey, I can afford it...but I wouldn't want to deal with 'dirty' looks etc.
It's just too messy and raises too many eyebrows.
Idea:
If you want to make it fair, do away with the regular line. Make everybody get a pass to get on( DCA style). Then, after hanging out in the park, come back for a shorter wait. Do this for all the rides.
[rant]
But again, it makes the experience way too formal. When I go to a park...I don't want to have to worry about "missing appointments" I just want to get on a ride if it suits my mood. I don't want to see people getting let on in front of me for any reason. Wanna ride? Get in line. All of our time is valuable at a park. Don't ream us for it.
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Then, please, don't rant. Don't buy or use a fast pass and don't plan your day? Unless you're going to a park where patrons are forced at gunpoint to purchase fast passes, this seems like a very simple solution.
I wonder, of course, how you feel about those awful people in wheelchairs who make you wait that much longer for your seat while they cruise up the exit ramp and get right on... and what about those terrible parents who actually take advantage of parent swaps programs and get to ride without waiting, yet force you to wait, geez, another whole 5 minutes to get on?
And I am once again struck by the notion that fast passes represent a class system-- merely by purchasing a ticket into the park, you are aligning yourself with those who have sufficient 'wealth' to afford the expense. You may not think of yourself as well-off, but the fact that you can afford tickets (not to mention a computer and online access, assuming you or anyone is visiting Coasterbuzz from home) does put you into a more advantaged social strata than others. There are many families in this country who simply cannot afford even one day at an amusement park.
Beeman65 said:
People, people. These FP systems were not desgined to screw the people waiting in the stand-by line.
The "Stand By Line?"
Let me get this straight...
The regular Line is the "stand by line", and those people are waiting there just in case that a fast pass holder does not wish to ride the ride. If no fast pass people are there, then the pesants in the "stand by line" should consider themselves lucky that they have the chance to fill in?
When did the Queue line become the "Stand By Line?"
When will "Fast Pass" users start to complain about people in the "Stand By Line" being the only ones able to pick their seats?
Anyway... personally, I don't like the idea of "fast pass"... Let every one stand line like everyone else.
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"I wasn't always this cynical, but then I started kindergarden..."
Fastpass at disney does not give you a special seat or location in the rides, just a move to the front of a line position. I do not understand the parks that have seats on rides for these people. Just let them to the front of the ride to merge with the common folk like disney rides. Then it is no big deal, no special seats. All it says is you got a ticket, waited and now it is your turn.
I submitted a news item from usatoday which is all about line systems at different parks. They evaluated how they work at each park.
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Kerry - Bright Man of the Elite Eight
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Kerry - Bright Man of the Elite Eight
Whoa... now you're just insulting people and making character judgements you're not qualified to make. Stick to what people say, not what you think is going on in other people's heads.
slithernoggin said:
"I wonder, of course, how you feel about those awful people in wheelchairs who make you wait that much longer for your seat while they cruise up the exit ramp and get right on."
Handicap access is something entirely different, and it has a lot more to do with the safety of having someone in line who isn't mobile than it does giving someone special treatment.
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