Zonga's restraints

Thursday, March 6, 2003 5:00 PM
I seem to recall hearing Larson was going to do new restraints for the ride. The little I talked to Scott about the pictures he said that the restraints looked used, but didn't say anything about a train without OTSRs. So it may just be the picture.
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Thursday, March 6, 2003 5:45 PM

sfmmrider said:
Look at the back of the train of that uncovered one, there is NO OTSR, but just a lap bar! O GOD! What if they get the restraints like Perilous Plunge (There is a Swartzkopf coaster out there like it) it's called Magnum Force. http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery825.htm?Picture=14

When I rode Magnum Force this summer, there was quite an elaborate seat belt restraint. However, the op said to just buckle the lap belt, and I'd be fine with just that.

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Thursday, March 6, 2003 6:17 PM
I'm going to be the first to say I don't give a crap if it has OTSR, labars, lapbars and 4 point or they duct tape you in, as long as I don't get bashed around. If you don't get bashed around then go by the moto if it isn't broke don't fix it. Just be happy that Thriller is still here and not a pile of scrap metal like Drachen Fire, so stop *****ing be happy.
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Thursday, March 6, 2003 8:12 PM
It *will* have OTSRs. When it ran with lapbars in Europe it caused problems (mainly people smashing their faces into the car in front of them).

-Nate

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Friday, March 7, 2003 4:15 AM

coasterdude318 said:
It *will* have OTSRs. When it ran with lapbars in Europe it caused problems (mainly people smashing their faces into the car in front of them).

-Nate


Oh no! Nobodies head smashed against the cars!

During the first lapbar only season, people had problems keeping their torso up, due to the forces in the first loops. But it never happened the way you described.

There was as well a problematic point in the exit of the fourth loop, where lateral and vertical forces yanked the riders to their side. But the track was modified to deal with the problem.

Concerning the picture with the covered/uncovered trains:

The uncovered train still has the accordeon style lapbars. But they are pushed down as much as possible on the pic, so you can hardly see them. I am pretty sure, however that they wont use them anymore.

If they would find a way to modify the accordeons so that they could stay in place, it would be a good solution. You dont get headbanging on them at all. The only problem is that they push down on your shoulders throughout the ride, pinning your back in an unnatural position.

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Friday, March 7, 2003 7:33 AM
Interesting, tricktrack in that there is a solution for that problem that doesn't involve shoulder bars. I suggested it decades ago, Arrow then did it on two of their Shoot-The-Chutes rides, then Premier did it in 2000 and 2001 on various looping coasters...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
Not suggesting that Arrow or Premier got the idea from me...

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Friday, March 7, 2003 8:32 AM
Umm don't you mean 2001 & 2002? FOF got the much needed lap bars in 00 or 01 ,then SF followed Paramount's lead & made the switch to lap bars on all of their premier launchers (ie JJ or Mr.Freeze.
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Friday, March 7, 2003 10:01 AM
Off topic, but on pic 1 on norcalcoasters.com I was ecstatic that they jackhammered the parking lot....

....only to find on pic 2 that they poured a huge concrete slab to plop the ride on. UGH!!

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Friday, March 7, 2003 10:08 AM
The first ride that Premier put tall lap bars on was Son of Beast in 2000...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Oh, by the way, this is the earliest mention I can find where I suggested a tall lap bar for a looping coaster, though I'm sure that wasn't the first time I said it... :)

--DCAjr

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Friday, March 7, 2003 10:24 AM
Quoth the RideMan: "When 5-point harnesses start showing up on amusement rides, it's time for a
revolution or something!"

So, when do we show up at PP with pitchforks and torches...;)

Also noted: "A normal double-bar (single-position locking
lap bar) is plenty to prevent ACCIDENTAL vertical exits."

But Dave, 10 years later, now we KNOW that the purpose of restraints isn't to prevent *accidents*, but they also have to protect the idiots from themselves...(PKD Shockwave).

bill, who notes that even in 1993, Dave's listed under "THE Ohio State University"...which of course prevents confusion with all those *other* Ohio State universities...(note lower-case 'U')...;)

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Friday, March 7, 2003 11:24 AM
Yeah, I'm with gator! Bill you bring the tar, and I'll bring the feathers. Perhaps Playa will loan us the "angry mob" to supply the torches :)

But I never knew RideMan's real name was Victoria ;)

lata, jeremy

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Friday, March 7, 2003 11:44 AM
I'm not going to worry about the restraints until we know for sure what they are.

Moosh

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Friday, March 7, 2003 12:27 PM
Victoria is my Mom. I am not, and have never been, directly affiliated with The Ohio State University, but her (now defunct) address was my original Usenet entry point. :)

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
Who notes that Victoria's husband's name is also Dave, but you probably knew that already!

(edit: there is no "k" in "notes")
*** This post was edited by RideMan 3/7/2003 5:27:38 PM ***

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Friday, March 7, 2003 12:33 PM
...but Dave, there IS one in K-nott's, and in K-noebel's...;)

bill, who also notes that Dave/Victoria would NOT have made a good movie title anyway...

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Friday, March 7, 2003 8:25 PM

rollergator said:
Quoth the RideMan: "When 5-point harnesses start showing up on amusement rides, it's time for a
revolution or something!"

So, when do we show up at PP with pitchforks and torches...;)


Now now... Plunge only has 4 point harnesses. ;)

In that case, maybe we should leave the pitchforks at home. The torches on the other hand...

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Friday, March 7, 2003 8:33 PM
I'm looking at these photos and it doesn't look to me like they've replaced any of the harnasses yet. The two styles evident in these pictures were on the trains before they shipped them out of Houston. Whatever they've got planned hasn't been placed on the trains yet.
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Saturday, March 8, 2003 12:01 AM

DRNK said:
It's a Schwarzkopf, that coaster is as smooth as they get! Well, it used to be.

*** This post was edited by DRNK 3/6/2003 4:37:19 PM ***


A Schwarzkopf 'feels' smooth because it has lapbars. For instance, look at Flight of Fear, a very painful ride. With lapbars, it's now a very good ride.
The same thing happens in reverse now...smooth feels rough because of the OTSR's.

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