X-Flights first test run.

Saturday, April 21, 2012 11:37 PM
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After it was announced I was glad to see the Swarm-esque inversion/drop and not the straight drop that Wild Eagle and X-Raptor have. Since the reviews of Wild Eagle and Swarm began circulating, it seems like the plain first drop is getting great reviews while the inversion/drop isn't getting as much attention.


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Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:24 AM

Is anyone else looking at the Wing Riders as a test or first step for B&M's future 4D coaster? It almost bothers me that the seats don't move, as I don't understand all the effort of making this new breed. The experience seems like it'd just be a floorless or inverted shifted away from the track.

I wouldn't buy one of these for my park, as I'd fear a 4D model coming a couple years later. But, maybe that's too daring for B&M. Not beating on this ride...it looks fun, and I'd be excited for it at any of my home parks. It's just that it screams, "I was going to be a 4D, but B&M didn't feel the technology was reliable enough yet!" when I look at it.

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Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:13 AM

The plus side of having the seats besides the track, is that you get the illusion of "nothing around you, thus not much holding you in". Also, head-chopper and feet-chopper effects (or both) for the riders.

Another plus side for parks (vs getting a 4D model, if it will ever exist) is that once you make seats move, you have maintenance of said moving parts. Given how X/X2 had a lot of issues at that stage, I definitely wouldn't be racing to get the next new 4D model out on the market until it proves itself.

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Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:20 AM
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Jeph said:

Is anyone else looking at the Wing Riders as a test or first step for B&M's future 4D coaster? It almost bothers me that the seats don't move, as I don't understand all the effort of making this new breed. The experience seems like it'd just be a floorless or inverted shifted away from the track.

I understand your POV Jeph, but I think people will love it - either way.

Without having ridden any of the new wing rider types, my educated nod would be to Intamin - who has (finally! Yeahyea!) come up with an alternative restraint system. Actually looks a bit intimidating - very cool!


Billy
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Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:13 PM
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Jeph said:

Is anyone else looking at the Wing Riders as a test or first step for B&M's future 4D coaster?

I have no inside knowledge, but it doesn't look like the wing riders would be an easy transformation to 4D. Honestly I think the wing rider seating is more similar to Sheikra or Griffon than to X2 seats.

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Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:28 PM
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Congrats on your 666th post, Fun.


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Sunday, April 22, 2012 9:17 PM

Billy, what'd I miss in regards to a new Intamin restraint? I'm a huge fan of their stuff, but I haven't been liking their restraints / seats lately (Looking at you, Maverick).

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Sunday, April 22, 2012 9:41 PM
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Maverick needs Intimidator 305 restaints. The upgrade looks simple enough.


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Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:13 PM
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Amen. I wish Ka and really any other intamin with others had those.


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Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:17 PM
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I wish Ka had the T Bars from Millennium and Dragster


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Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:20 PM

Yeah, I've always liked the MF/TTD seats and restraints. Sadly, those days are gone. I hope Intamin comes up with something better than slapping OTSR on everything in the future.

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Monday, April 23, 2012 12:04 AM
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Jeph said:

Billy, what'd I miss in regards to a new Intamin restraint? I'm a huge fan of their stuff, but I haven't been liking their restraints / seats lately (Looking at you, Maverick).

I agree with you. They are similar to recent Intamin restraints in that they come down over the head, but are lacking the redundant shoulder bars/straps.


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Monday, April 23, 2012 12:28 AM

Whoa...those look incredible. Where is that from? A 4-wide Intamin train? Whaaaat?

Edit: Not sure how I missed Hershey's SkyRush. Awesome!

Last edited by Jeph, Monday, April 23, 2012 12:37 AM
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Monday, April 23, 2012 11:33 AM
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How are the Skyrush restraints different from the millennium force/dragster T bars (other than the bulkiness)? It looks like the OTS portion does not contact the body...

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Monday, April 23, 2012 1:22 PM

Well, obviously the support for the bar is behind you rather than in front of you, between your legs, so it'd feel more open.

Secondly, the lap bar has some length, so it looks like it'd really lock down your whole lap, making it near impossible to get out of. I'm wondering if they'd use this same restraint and train for a coaster with inversions... Seems like it'd be perfectly safe.

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Monday, April 23, 2012 6:42 PM

cdude3 said:

Huh? Why would twisting left v. right make a difference on the length of the roll into the drop? If they both end up inverted then the difference you highlight doesn't imply the conclusion you claim.

It was a bad choice of words on my part, as I was not refering to the physical length of the track. I was referring to Swarm's inversion being more of a continuous rolling motion (as it rolls to the left and then dives away to the right of the entry), whereas X-Flight's inversion rolls to the right and then dives away to the right of the entry point. Swarm's inversion would produce more of a fluid rolling sensation to the rider, unlike X-Flight's which will stop at the point of inversion and then dive away.

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Monday, April 23, 2012 7:36 PM
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Jeph said:

Secondly, the lap bar has some length, so it looks like it'd really lock down your whole lap, making it near impossible to get out of. I'm wondering if they'd use this same restraint and train for a coaster with inversions... Seems like it'd be perfectly safe.

Actually, these restraints are just fine for a looping coaster. (I know, the lap bars are hard to see, but most folks know what the old Intamin bars are like).

But I think these may be the future of looping coasters with lap bars. Supposedly a top notch ride, too! Those Mack seats/restraints are very similar to the new ones for Skyrush.


Billy
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Monday, April 23, 2012 9:04 PM
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I hereby dub those restraints "Over the Shoulder Lapbars", or OTSLs...

...and I like 'em.....a lot!

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Monday, April 23, 2012 9:35 PM
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Very nice, Gator :)

I tried to dub Timberliners as TLCs a while back, but didn't catch on. Hopefully, OTSL will.

That coaster has ahtsels!


Billy
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Friday, May 4, 2012 8:21 PM

Full POV:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery/69761990/News/Soar-with-...ng-coaster

For those who thought the station looked cheap (I for the record think it looks fine), just wait until you see the hangar. They only bothered to make one wall.


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