WT will equal extreme line-ups

Wednesday, April 3, 2002 2:20 PM

This seems to be the only non-friendly-capacity ride!

How are CP's masses supposed to get on this ride on a reasonable time, when coasters that have 3 times the capacity still have long lineups?

Is this not a concern for Cedar Fair?

p.s. Jeff, what kind of Canadian beer do you drink?

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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 2:21 PM
we have been discussing this for a while.
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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 2:30 PM
appearantly coo man chu wants to talk about it more/again so leave him alone

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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 2:37 PM

http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forums/thread.asp?ForumID=11&TopicID=18642

It's been proven. Not an issue. WHEN we start hitting 1000 pph (which shouldn't take us long) we'll only be getting 200 pph fewer than Millennium Force gets. The cycle time was overestimated originally and therefore MF can only hit 1200 pph.

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*** This post was edited by The Montu on 4/3/2002. ***

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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 2:42 PM
ACE even shows how the interval and capacity will easily be met in their latest Newsletter.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 2:45 PM

MikeMir87 said:
appearantly coo man chu wants to talk about it more/again so leave him alone

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Calm down man, I was just fooling around. I didnt mean to affend anyone.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 2:51 PM
The longest Millennium Force gets anmore is an hour, thats not to longWicked Twister will do fine.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 2:59 PM
It won't get long lines when the GP is saying, "Man, lets just go ride Millennium Force. Wicked Twister is the same as Superman at Six Flags."

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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 4:07 PM
IOARules, I think you're missing the key element to the way the GP thinks. The GP won't want to ride one coaster all day, I'm sure they'll try and get to as many as they can, and with a good marketing effort by CP Wicked Twister will be one of the coasters they ride during the day.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 4:23 PM
WOA and CP draw completely different peeps you seem to forget. Everyone in Detroit, Toledo, etc goes to Cedar Point but they sure don't go to WOA. Most people who live around me, SE Michigan and Northwest Ohio, don't have a clue WOA exists but they go to CP every year and have forever. Our Public schools have been sending kids there for 20 years. OUr family has been going that long and the same goes for most other Families in SE Mich and NW Ohio, its a summer tradition. To me WT is just one reason less to go twice as far to WOA.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 5:54 PM

Amen to that, MagnumForce. It's not that I don't WANT to go to WoA, it's just that it's at least an hour further, and much harder to do in a day trip from Michigan. As a parent, the last thing I want to do is drive 3.5 hours to a park and have to drive that far back home after spending the entire day.

So CP building an impulse is a good thing IMO.

And, as I said in another forum, the CP ride ops are out to prove that an impulse CAN run efficiently and at capacity.

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*** This post was edited by CPLady on 4/3/2002. ***

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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 6:08 PM
Yes Wicked Twister will have long lines, but so does almost every other coaster in America. It is something that has to be delt with, every ride is a capacity issue, or else the queue line would not exist. I am not sure of the exact figures, but the difference of how many pph MF serves and the projected figures of WT are about 200 people apart. That is not that bad. Plus, I bet after the first season or so the GP will like MF more, not that WT won't be popular, but people will like MF more and that will take some of the wait down.
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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 7:12 PM
I beg to differ MagnumForce. Alot of people around here (NW Ohio and SE Michigan) do know about Six Flags WOA(waste of an afternoon). There has been alot of ads on TV about it and in the Toledo Blah there has been an article or two about it. Also people who know that I am a coaster nut constantly ask me if its a good park or not and such. I do agree about WT beeing one less reason to travel the extra hour.

*** This post was edited by InCLinE_LOoPeR on 4/4/2002. ***

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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 7:19 PM
LOL you don't get it do you? People in say Adrian MI or Bryan OH may ask about WOA but do you think they would go there? From here (Fayette, OH/Waldron, MI) it takes almost 2 hours to get to WOA does that mean peeps will drive 4 to get to WOA? Highly doubtful although for a BIG trip they may just like people around here go to PKI for a BIG trip. Deal is they could care less if WOA also has an impulse and don't know it in the first place. BTW since WOA opened there were a FEW ads on Toledo TV during the first year, but after that I havent saw any yet. Now CP on the other hand I can get free tix and watch Channel 13's webcam etc etc etc.. For all intensive purposes, around here CP is life.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 7:58 PM
lol Waste of an Afternoon, thats a good one Joe.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2002 8:14 PM

RubberDucky said:
Yes Wicked Twister will have long lines, but so does almost every other coaster in America.


Obviously you've never been to Adventureland ;)

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Thursday, April 4, 2002 4:13 AM
Nope, I havn't, but the key word in my original statement was almost.
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Thursday, April 4, 2002 4:23 AM

Three times the capacity? Only if you're talking about Gemini.

1,000 pph ain't bad at all. In fact, I'd love to see someone calculate the park's total coaster capacity (all coasters added together). That's the number that gets bigger and bigger every year, and as a result the lines get shorter and shorter.

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Thursday, April 4, 2002 5:56 AM
That's not hard to do, Jeff...


01,080 PPH Blue Streak (6/21/1998)
01,069 PPH Mine Ride (6/21/1998)
00,411 PPH Wildcat (6/21/1998)
01,570 PPH Corkscrew (6/21/1998)
03,176 PPH Gemini (6/21/1998)
00,277 PPH Jr. Gemini (based on 431632 riders/1559 hours in 2001)
01,575 PPH Iron Dragon (6/21/1998)
01,620 PPH Magnum XL-200 (6/21/1998)
01,200 PPH Disaster Transport (nominal)
01,326 PPH Mean Streak (6/21/1998)
01,309 PPH Raptor (6/21/1998)
01,262 PPH Mantis:TCFKAB (6/21/1998)
00,236 PPH Woodstock Express (based on 367,509 riders/1559 hours)
01,200 PPH Millennium Force (estimate)
01,000 PPH Wicked Twister (estimate)
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18,311 PPH total coaster capacity

All of the capacities listed except for Jr. Gemini, Woodstock Express, Disaster Transport, Millennium Force, and Wicked Twister are audited capacity figures which you can find in one of my 1998 Trip Reports here. Unfortunately I don't have any more recent figures handy. Capacities for Jr. Gemini and Woodstock Express are based on the ridership numbers reported on the Cedar Point web page divided by the number of operating hours in the 2002 season (1,559) which should be close to the number of operating hours in the 2001 season. Capacities for Disaster Transport, Millennium Force and Wicked Twister are basically WAGs.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

*** This post was edited by RideMan on 4/4/2002. ***

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Thursday, April 4, 2002 6:00 AM
3,176 pph for Gemini? Wow, that is impressive.

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