would it be possible....

Saturday, May 4, 2002 11:11 AM

now as i ask this keep in mind that most coasters are designed to work with only a lap bar, and the OTSR was only made to give people a sence of phsycological saftey.

B&M's hyper trians, with the clamshell harness are impossible to get out of and fit perfect on most anybody, would it be possible to take away the bulky OTSR and put in the clamshell on some loopers, and see how it works? and if it works good then would it be possible to do what premier did by retrofitting the trains with lap bars?

just a thought, respond with your opinions.

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Saturday, May 4, 2002 11:20 AM

There's no reason a restraint like a B&M clamshell or Intamin hyper wouldn't be able to hold a normal proportioned person through any element with no chance of slipping out.

The strange truth is many more fatalities and injuries happen with OTSRs. Heck, just look at the last few years.

Before any says you have to have OTSR because "what if you got stuck upsidedown". A coaster has gotten stuck upsidedown with just lapbars and there were no injuries!

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Saturday, May 4, 2002 11:38 AM
yes, a EDIT: Schwarzkopf shuttle looper that ran wiht lap bars got stuck upside down when the wheel assembly got jammed. so it can hold you.

*** This post was edited by DRAGON82487 on 5/4/2002. ***

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Saturday, May 4, 2002 11:39 AM
Schwarzkopf

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Saturday, May 4, 2002 1:07 PM
thank you peabody. now i know...(weird voice)
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Saturday, May 4, 2002 1:08 PM
lots of people like to.... loosen their lapbars. I know you could just have the ride-ops check every one.. but honestly, how long would that happen? What if someone loosened their lapbar, and it got stuck upside down? Its just a needless risk a park would take. Not everyone is an enthusiast. Most people dont care if there are OTSRs.

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Saturday, May 4, 2002 1:24 PM

DRAGON82487 said:
thank you peabody. now i know...(weird voice)


I think I misspelled it for about 10 years before I finally got it right myself.....now for the rest of the English language.... :)

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Saturday, May 4, 2002 2:28 PM
Several Schwarzkopf inverters operate without OTSRs for example, SooperDooperLooper at Hershey. And of course, Premier is busy eliminating the OTSRs on all of their coasters.
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Sunday, May 5, 2002 8:36 AM
what does OTSR stand for
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Sunday, May 5, 2002 8:48 AM
Over The Shoulder Restraint

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ladies and gentlemen, due to an increase in line jumping, people caught cutting in line will no longer be ejected from the park. u will be ejected from the ride

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Sunday, May 5, 2002 8:48 AM
Over The Shoulder Restraints
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Sunday, May 5, 2002 8:48 AM
over the shoulders restraints
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Sunday, May 5, 2002 9:10 AM
for a lot of the old arrows and stuff the OTSRs are needed because without them you'll get some nasty whiplash...
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Sunday, May 5, 2002 9:39 AM
thanks
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Sunday, May 5, 2002 10:59 AM

the guy:

OTSRs seem to be more the cause of than the cure for head an neck injuries.

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Sunday, May 5, 2002 8:28 PM

FOF at PKI was acctually saved by doing away with OTSR's. They went to the clamshell and the ride popularity has majorly increased. Satisfaction and multiple rides per rider have also incresed. I have been going to PKI and you notice when people are walking away after riding a ride and when they are getting back on for another ride. '99 and '00 everyone was walking away with headaches and complaints about the ride. The park filed many incident reports about it. In '01 the ride gained new popularity with the new restraints. Unfortunately the wait in line seemed longer because so many more people wanted to ride it. My opinion on the ride getting stuck upside down. It would be more comfortable with you legs holding you as a pose to your shoulders.

NO MORE OTSR'S!

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Sunday, May 5, 2002 8:34 PM
Lapbars for Shockwave at SFGAm. Just a thought to help that ride. I love Arrow Coasters, but I cussed them after that ride.
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Monday, May 6, 2002 5:23 AM

DRAGON82487 said:
"now as i ask this keep in mind that most coasters are designed to work with only a lap bar, and the OTSR was only made to give people a sence of phsycological saftey."

I am assuming you meant "psychological", but in any case, what makes you so sure that is the "only" reason for OTSRs? It seems to me that OTSRs were formed from a concept akin to the "5 Point" racing harnesses, but modified such that they are easy to operate and quick to check (at least with the Arrows anyway).

And as for the "old" Premier restraints, if stuck upside down you'd be held in by your thighs anyway. IIRC (and I know I do), the OTSRs came down all the way to your thighs.

Furthermore, you cant just 'slap' a lapbar on an old train and say "Voila!" You have to do some pretty serious design work to make sure that the angle of the seats, the position of the feet and the locked position of the bar all conspire to keep the rider in the seat. The Schwarzkopf loopers meet this as do the new Premier Trains, but an average PTC train would not (maybe the G-trains though...).

But the real question comes down to the cost. Is it really cost effective for a company (say Arrow) to design a new chassis for their coasters? I mean, they've moved on to a completely different design for their new coasters. Do they see a profit in doing so? People still seem to ride the things so maybe they dont feel a need to do it on their own.

Now if some park *requested* this action (and coughed up the moola to do so), I *sure* that they would undertake this task! (for the right price of course ;))
later days,
jeremy

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Monday, May 6, 2002 8:28 AM
From the park's viewpoint, there has be be a real value to improving rider comfort. Look at the lines for Arrow Loopers and they are walk ons or nearly so. Some of this is that they are kind of out of style. However, the elimination of the OTSR's would probably significantly increase their popularity. Certainly it has increased to use of Premiers coasters.
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Monday, May 6, 2002 10:11 AM

Actually IIRC the reason Arrow loopers [and Suspeneded] have OSTRs has to do with the design of the train chassis. There is nowhere to put a lap bar mechanism at rider's feet when you have a fiberglass body mounted to the wheel assembly. The only place to put any kind of restraint is in the seat behind the rider's shoulders. I'm sure Rideman will correct me if I'm wrong.

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