Worth a 3 hour drive to Knoebel's?

Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:20 PM
You got that right Greg! Bring on the wooden wild mouse, or even a regular wild mouse with a coal mine theme!

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Friday, January 31, 2003 11:03 AM
I'd like to see a wooden wild mouse, or even an old side friction. How about a virginia reel? Am I asking for too much? Actually, I think the best non-coaster ride they need next is a good rapids ride over by the Phoenix and Antique Cars. I'm pretty sure they could figure out a way to make it fit...

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Friday, January 31, 2003 12:37 PM

coasterpunk said:
Bring on the wooden wild mouse, or even a regular wild mouse with a coal mine theme!

Funny, I would've suggested the exact opposite....sure, I'd love to see a recreation of an old-time ride like a wooden mouse or a Flying Turns, but wow, that could be QUITE an undertaking, financially and othwise...(I'm digressing again, LOL)...so back to the *Po!nt*...

How's about a nice mine ride with a theme to fit...remember, the beginnigs of coasterdom here in the States were "mine rides", located not *phar* from Knoebels...;)

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Friday, January 31, 2003 1:02 PM
Sorry, Matt. I remembered you saying on RRC some time ago that you liked the Knoebel's ride more, but a quick check of the thread some months back comparing Twister and Mr. Twister proves me wrong.

As for Knoebel's getting some sort of mine ride, there is a certain ride at a certain eastern seaboard park (I'm sure most people will get what I'm eluding to) who's owners have been trying to sell it to Knoebels for the last 3 years or so. However, the difficulty of moving it (said ride is packed chock full of some nasty carcinogenic material) seems to have made Knoebels shy away from it. It would be a perfect addition (great replacement for Whirlwind too).

-Alan

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Friday, January 31, 2003 1:26 PM
No worries, Alan ;-)

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Friday, January 31, 2003 2:51 PM
At one point in time, wasn't one of the big chains (SF,Paramount,CF) trying to buy them out? Maybe this was just a rumor- I heard it about 5 or 6 years ago.

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Friday, January 31, 2003 3:21 PM
Alan, I'm pretty dense, I don't get it.

But anyhow, I too would like to see any of the above, a wooden wild mouse, flying turns, or mine ride (which would fit very well in the mine country there). I think if Knoebels does do such an undertaking they will once again do it in house, not that there is anything wrong with GCI, but it is less expensive and they have the experiance of the Twister behind them, so they know what they are doing.

A really nice replacement for the Whirlwind would be a Schwarzkopf looper. Fast, intense, and shoulder restrant free, it would fit nicely into Knoebel's classic ride collection.

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Friday, January 31, 2003 7:13 PM
Black 7 is right about the Schwarzkopf. I'll take a Silver Arrow (Scorpion @ BGT) anyday over the Whirlwind.

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Friday, January 31, 2003 7:49 PM
MarimbaGuy87, sorry, no can do. As I recall, the lone US SilverArrow has been traded *straight up* to SFGAm for Whizzer....if you want *El Escorpion*, you'll have to deal with the folks in the second city...;) Of course, if KG has something of value to trade, you might be able to get the nearby Doppel Looping from Dorney....

bill, still finding it hard to type KG without thinking of that massivbe ballplayer in *the land of too many lakes*...

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Friday, January 31, 2003 7:55 PM
Okay, how would you like our newly updated Cosmotron, The Whirlwind, and... The new Skyride we're putting in?

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*** This post was edited by MarimbaGuy87 2/1/2003 1:04:28 AM ***

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Saturday, February 1, 2003 8:57 AM
I can only speak for *my* parks....if you still want Scorpion, you need to deal directly with the good people of Second City...Chitown, chris, you know the guys...only Dorney *regulars* that might be interested in such a hypothetical deal for Laser can work with you on that one...you gotta have a park as your home park to do ride swaps...;).

Since that thread didn't really take off as I'd hoped it would, please note that in "ride swapping" it's IMPORTANT to make improvements, not just for what you want to ride. For instance, the Whizzer trade was pretty easy for me since BGT already has FOUR inverting steel coasters out of five (or six if you count Gwazi twice like me). I'm certainly not going to criticize the management of the AB theme park division, but for me it just seemed like perfect business sense to bring in a FAMILY coaster without inversions. Would I have *preferred* to trade out Python for Whizzer - SURE! But in life, business, and coaster-swaps, "ya gotta give somethin' to get somethin'...;)". The serious lack of flats at BGT is the reason I was trying to get those thrown in when "dealing" with the BGT rides....

...that being said, back to an *enthusiast perspective*. Knoebels is worth a three-hour WALK (or even a three hour tour)...it's THAT good. I understand people looking for additional steel, but I find Whirlwind to be fun, compact, and quite a unique ride...I hope they get more rides, but I don't understand why the big rush to get rid of Whirlwind....if DK decides it needs to go I'm certainly OK with it (hey, just like CB is Jeff's to run, KG is DK's to run). But I am kinda surprised that there is *general consensus* that Whirlwind should leave, esp. considering how few of the "suggested additions" feature an INVERTING coaster....variety, as far as I'm concerned, is one of the cornerstones of a great park...right up there behind the undisputed number one thing a park needs....great staff...(and Knoebels already as that "covered")...you *did* see that little wink to the CBF...good...;)


*** This post was edited by rollergator 2/1/2003 1:59:29 PM ***

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Saturday, February 1, 2003 10:56 AM
Don't get me wrong, I've been on far worse coasters than the Whirlwind, but it just doesn't meet up to the standards of the other 3. I'll ride the High Speed Thrill Coaster 10 times before touching the Whirlwind. While on this subject though, I'd rather Knoebel's keep the Whirlwind rather than get an SLC or Boomerang.

Anyone from Dorney wanna accept my offer? ;)

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Saturday, February 1, 2003 11:01 AM
:P

I liked the Whirlwind, it's a little rough but it was a ton of fun and it's fairly unique for a corkscrew coaster.

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Saturday, February 1, 2003 11:01 AM
Hmmm, I wonder how much it would cost to bring over the Schwartzkopf steelie at Dreamland. (I still hope Dreamland remains open, but if it were to close...)

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Saturday, February 1, 2003 11:03 AM
What type of Shwarzkopf would that be?

EDIT: According to http://www.rcdb.com, Dreamland was sold to developers in January, 2003. It also says they have no plans of any amusement establishment.

I'll take it! :) But how much will it cost me?

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*** This post was edited by MarimbaGuy87 2/1/2003 4:12:58 PM ***

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Saturday, February 1, 2003 7:55 PM
Knobles is just -Okay- in my opinion. If you've never been, then of course it's worth three hours. I know that I am in the minority when I say Go to Dorney instead".

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Saturday, February 1, 2003 9:08 PM
I think I speak for all residents of the Chicagoland area when I say: NO DEAL! First the 'Gator robs us of our classic, and now you want to offer up a Vekoma looper in exchange for its replacement? We just got rid of Shock Wave...

Speaking of... If you're interested in some more steel, I think we'll be happy to give away a certain collection of white and blue sitting out on the lawn.

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Sunday, February 2, 2003 9:30 AM
SFGreat American, if you're talking to me- I'll keep the Vekoma. In my opinion, 2 (somewhat) rough corkscrews are better than 3 loops, 2 corkscrews, and a killer "boomerang." :) If you want though, I'll accept Batman: The Ride instead. ;)

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Sunday, February 2, 2003 11:42 AM
Hey, I said you could keep the Vekoma... We're giving it away, remember?

And believe me, there is nothing we would exchange for a a Vekoma. I mean, honestly, we might have traded Shock Wave, but we got a pretty nice deal on that already. As for the original Batman: The Ride: Are you out of your mind?

While I wouldn't be adverse to trading away Iron Wolf, there are others who would roast me for suggesting it. And, really, what would I actually be gaining if I traded it for a Vekoma looper?
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Sunday, February 2, 2003 11:47 AM
Hershey will trade Sidewinder for Whirlwind ;)

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