What are the positives and negatives are g-trains and PTC Trains? I remember when the Legend opened at Holiday World, HW acted as if enthusiasts gave them the suggestion of using g-trains.
I hear how rough Villain is and then people seem happy when g-trains are added to Raging Wolf Bobs.
If these trains really bad or it the coaster itself? I've never ridden a coaster with g-trains so I don't know.
Also, are the Millennium Flyers much different from g-trains? Because at Hershey Park Lightning Racer seems like it's gotten great reviews?
G-trains are rather rigid, and from my experience the restraints prove to be the most uncomfortable aspect of the vehicle. The way your legs are wedged between the lap bar causes discomfort during lateral g-forces.
As for PCT, I have had both smooth and rough rides. I think it mostly depends on the quality of the ride itself and the design with PCT trains.
Cross the park to Villain, and you'll get beat up, but you'd get beat up with any train. The good news is that structurally that ride is fine, it's the track that's a problem.
I mean, get on Mean Streak and tell me if you think that PTC trains make any difference. (Bad example, perhaps, with those horrible seat backs, but still.)
Ex. Twisted Twins, Villain.
The lapbars are part of Villain's problems as well.
Curious, why would HW replace the trains if they ran so great?
As far as Lightning racers Millenium Flyers go, those are about as good as it gets. The lap bar is similar to a g train. But they are so padded and the ride itself runs spectacularly well on the track.
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1. Is there a weight difference between the train types? (g-trains look lighter to the eye)
2. Are they priced in the same ranges? Or is there major savings with one company over the other?
I never got to ride Legend with the g-train, but I did get on Villian the first year and loved it. Off the top of my head, I cannot think of another g-train ride I really love. This could be a chicken-egg thing though...
G-trains are less comfortable than PTC's on rides that give strong laterals. For Legend, the difference was profound, IMHO. However, a ride like Villain isn't about laterals, it's about airtime. I honestly don't think changing to PTCs would make much difference -- I personally find the G-trains quite comfy on that ride. But that might just be my particular dimensions at work...
GCI's "Flyer" trains are great, but we'll probably only ever see them on GCI's own rides.
For an example of a "new" PTC train that's incredibly comfortable, visit Kennywood and ride the Racer...
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Millennium Flyers restraints
Millennium Flyer restraints (T bar)
Gerstlauer restraints (U bar)
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and the g-train is nothing more than a Ptc train with body fat trimmed off.
I doubt that. Maybe the way the work under the train, but when you sit in a G-Train, there is a profound difference between that and sitting in a PTC train. I don't dislike G-Trains, mind you, but I like what was said earlier:
G-trains are less comfortable than PTC's on rides that give strong laterals.
Yes! All of the woodies I've ridden with G-trains that were uncomfortable were uncomfortable in the Helix or any other laterals. If you take Swamp Fox's trains down the street and put it on Hurricane, The bottome of the first drop is still gonna shuffle a little bit. But the Helices won't be so bad, in fact, they would probably be more than tolerable.
Oh, and I rode Villain last year, with G-Trains, and loved it, Parts of RWBs were rough, but I've heard even with PTCs the same were rough, but YMMV.
Charles Nungester said:
Huh huh... huh huh. He said NAD!
I have to say my favorite wood coaster train is the GCI Flyer. You are secured but you feel free, and with the flared tops of the trains you can probably have extreme laterals and the ride will still feel comfortable. Of course I've only been on one ride with the GCI Flyers, Thunderhead.
I don't have much of an issue with the Gerstlauer trains. I'm just so used to PTC's around here that they feel funny to me because of the lapbar and how tight it can feel.
NAD trains are pretty bad-@ss because they feel loose and out of control with the single lap bars. You are also deep in the seat which makes the airtime feel more real as you pop out.
As for Morgans, everything about those things is wrong. Those are examples of how NOT to design a train!
There are a few coasters that Morgans work well on (Seabreeze's Jack Rabbit is one) but the majority of Morgans are just plain awful. They should be melted into plastic for credit cards or spring water bottles.
Mechanically, the PTC articulated train, the Gerstlauer train, and the Son of Beast train are all very much alike. The wheels cannot steer, and the rear axle can swivel through about 3 degrees of roll. PTC's boxcar train (and you can only tell the difference by looking really close at the rear axle) does not have a roll axle, but the entire car body can flex, which won't happen with the Gerstlauer steel-frame cars.
The real differences between the PTC and Gerstlauer trains are up in the passenger compartment. Gerstlauer uses a different lap bar arrangement and a nearly flat seat, but perhaps the most important difference is that the Gerstlauer train has almost no padding in it. It's built more like a steel coaster train, in that you're sitting on a piece of high density foam that has no 'give' to it. By comparison, with very few exceptions (Mean Streak is one, unfortunately) even the worst PTC trains still have soft seat cushions, even if the back, side and divider cushions are rock-hard foam. That extra couple of inches of padding makes a big difference as it uncouples your body from the shock of rolling over a less-than-perfect wooden track. Want proof? Go ride the Conneaut Lake Blue Streak or the Camden Park Big Dipper. Both of those coasters are horribly rough, and yet will give you a better ride than, say, the Kings Island Racer or the Stricker's Grove Tornado, which has much better track on it.
We learned in an earlier discussion from our friend at Holiday World that the PTC trains are quite a bit heavier than the Gerstlauer trains.
As for the GCI trains...those are a special case. First of all, they have all the cushioning of the "good" PTC trains. Next, mechanically they are single-bench trailers, based in large part on the Prior & Church design. Only the lead car has to slide around curves, and that car has an extremely short wheelbase which limits the variation between the front and rear axle. The remaining cars are trailered in such a way that they can independently track the curve, making GCI's ridiculously twisted layouts possible. You could run a GCI Millennium Flyer on just about any coaster, but you can't run a 2-bench PTC train on, say, Thunderhead. I don't think the PTC train can make the turns quick enough.
Oh, someone brought up the Kennywood Racer and its new trains...I like those trains, except for the seat divider. At nearly 4", the divider is a whole lot wider than it needs to be, and since I am also wider than I need to be, I find it awkward to get in and out, and I find that the divider rail gores me in unpleasant ways. Other than that, though, it IS a nice set of trains.
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
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