Woman beaten for line jumping at tea cups at Disneyworld

Your HDTV is only 55". My HDTVs are WAY bigger than that (well except the one in the 3rd Guest Bathroom, which may be just a little bigger than yours). I love my Wiis too, but I haven't had time to play my Tony Hawk game on any of them yet because of all the other games I bought. You only took 2 vacations? I never have to work again and I can vacation all year if I want, so I relate to what you're trying to say. ;) My point is that not everyone can be as high class as me, but you keep at it and you may get there someday.

Good. We're getting back on topic.

This topic is about lines and how crazy some people get worked up over having to wait even a little bit longer when they get cut in front of, or when they just perceive that they are getting cut in front of.

This crazy lady hauled off and put the smack down on another lady. That's how worked up she got. Most of us wouldn't even think of using violence in such a circumstance because of our finalized conditioning that certain people are allowed to cut and others are not (Early people in Disney's case, which is unarguably the most unfair of them all). Everyone's getting used to more than one way of getting on the same ride, so where's the problem?

Everyone will get to ride. It doesn't matter the order. It doesn't matter the amount of rides one gets while at the park. An admission ticket only entitles one access to the property anyways. Everything else is luck or wealth (and I have both).

we really have been on topic this whole time. Gonch, you've admitted in the past to arguing a viewpoint that your didn't fully agree with. Maybe I am too...MAYBE! Aren't I clever?

*** Edited 7/27/2007 6:30:24 AM UTC by dexter***

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Charles Nungester said:
Maybe it's just me. But I say to all line cutters, Both legal and illegal.

Let the beatings continue!

Of course Im not for violence but I've seen and been involved in several instances of Q Line violence or just the threat of it happening.

Chuck, Get in line and wait with everyone else and Where's the problem? If you leave you forfit.

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Damn Right! Couldn't agree more!

I don't understand why people have such issues with the pay-to-cut or fast pass systems. America is based on capitalism. That means that every decision business makes is based on money. I personally think capitalism is flawed, but most people would disagree with that statement and I don't want to get all political because this topic has gotten ugly.

Listen, not everybody buys the line skipping privelages every trip to the park. Sometimes it's a treat when you find yourself with an extra $20 or so. You may not put the same value on line jumping as others do, but that is their decision and if the parks offer it, get mad at the parks, not the guests who rightfully purchased them.

Yes, I know the horror stories of Superman launching 4 trains of FastLanes, and I've experienced a 2 hour wait for Peter Pan's Flight with about a 200-10 Fastpass to standby ratio. It was infuriating, but the guests have done nothing wrong, if you experience things like this, notify the park through a letter, not the ride-ops. The system is still relatively new and they are tweaking it. Fastpass is a lot more efficient today than it was 3 years ago.

And why will the parks listen to a story about SUF going through 4 trains w/o standby passengers? Because if that happens often, they will anger/lose guests and angry/lost guests don't spend MONEY. *** Edited 7/27/2007 3:41:36 PM UTC by SFGAMDie HARD***

If I am going to pay $50+ to get into a theme park, I should not have to deal with people cutting in front of me.

The whole fast pass or flash pass(whatever it is called these days) is a slap in the face for anyone not willing to dish out the extra cash for it.

I already pay $15 to park, another $50+ to get inside the park. So that brings me up to at least $65 just to get into the park. Why should I have to pay even more money just to be able to ride most of the rides.

If parks wanted to do something like that for a fee, why don't they just open the park later at night, or early in theday and charge little extra to get in early?

Disney is the only place that I have been, were the systemeven slightly resembles something that could work. With the exception of peter pan, just because the rph on the ride is bad to begin with.

For the pay systems to get on the ride faster, I think the big problem is the number of cut passes they give out. If you limit it to 10-20% of a rides capacity, the stand by riders won't see much of a difference. A one hour wait might become an hour and 10 minutes. However, if they give out 50%+ of the ride's capacity, the line then becomes 2+ hours.

As far as the stand by line, if its just one person cutting in the first few minutes to join their group so they could get a drink, use the rest room, etc... yes it is annoying and yes they shouldn't do it, but I really don't think its worth getting upset over. The issue is when entire groups of people cut, or someone tries to join a group after half an hour in line.

The one "good" thing in this incident is that the woman went ape-s*** in line for the tea cups. What happens when someone loses it in line for a coaster? Will someone get tossed out in front of an oncoming train? Will the employees, cast members, whatever the hell you want to call them, just sit and gawk until security arrives?

Crazy horse, you need to get a better paying job so you can afford the extra benefits. It's not the parks fault that you don't justify the extra spending, it is you fault. It's just a sad fact of life so deal with it.

I actually believe that people who are not willing to shell out all of the extra money should just buy a wagon and roll them self down a hill for a thrill. Then my 10 minute Gold-Elite Q-Bot wait time may only be 5 minutes. :)

Don't listen to Dexter, crazy horse - he just makes controversial posts to run up the page views and in turn the revenue of this website.

I think Jeff pays him to do it. :)

He also holds a pretty arrogant and elitist attitude. I mean, I agree 100% that any kind of 'pay-to-play' system is a good thing, but you'd have to be a real jerk to tell people to get a better job or that you think they should find something else to do (mockingly, of course) because they can't spend the money.

I think we all have the same right to be at the park and we all have the same choices as to what to spend our money on when we're there.

It's a shame that there's people who have such a 'better than thou' attitude and don't think you deserve to be in the park. People like that give these perfectly useful systems a bad name.

I suspect he's compensating for something. :)

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Lord Gonchar said:
I think we all have the same right to be at the park and we all have the same choices as to what to spend our money on when we're there.

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Gonch's Business Model does not at all represent the idea you have stated in the above quote. I like your "Business Model" because it LIMITS how many "poor" people are able to attend the parks due to mega-high prices and thus lowers how many of us well-to-do moneybags are standing in coaster lines. Looks like SF is finally figuring this out.

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Lord Gonchar said:
It's a shame that there's people who have such a 'better than thou' attitude and don't think you deserve to be in the park. People like that give these perfectly useful systems a bad name.
:)

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"People like that" are people like us who have realized that less is more. Aren't you excited that admission prices will be over $100 in the very near future, out pricing certain types of people? It seems that, like me, you can't wait. "As for why I'm not upset about prices potentially being that high - I can afford it!"

We agree and yet you still argue with me?

Keeping it on topic, I never rode the Teacups at Disney the dozen or so times I have been there. I assume that the classic ride wouldn't really have too long of a wait. Am I right?

So why would anyone get so angry about being cut in front of at one of the shorter lines in the park? I think maybe it was the last straw. Maybe she didn't understand how to use Disney's unarguably very unfair fastpass system or maybe she didn't get to the park early enough. Seeing everyone cut in front of her and her family throughout the day frustrated her to the point that she blew up.

Maybe she didn't understand how amusement park lines work these days.

Wow! What's saddest of all is that's really what you see when you read my posts, isn't it? You're filling in blanks with complete untruths (at least as the ideas apply to my life and mindset).

But if you really want to play, let's play! :)

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Gonch's Business Model does not at all represent the idea you have stated in the above quote. I like your "Business Model" because it LIMITS how many "poor" people are able to attend the parks due to mega-high prices and thus lowers how many of us well-to-do moneybags are standing in coaster lines.

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Aww, look at Dexter play the victim again. Anything priced agressively is an attempt to keep out the 'poor' - the second class citizens. Anyone who chooses to pay (even if they have to save for a very long time or go without other wants and needs) is clearly a 'moneybags' and 'well to do' and anyone who can't justify paying that much for something so frivilous (even if they have a six figured income) is 'poor' and being discriminated against - the damn man is keeping us down again. Nothing is our fault.

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Aren't you excited that admission prices will be over $100 in the very near future, out pricing certain types of people? It seems that, like me, you can't wait. "As for why I'm not upset about prices potentially being that high - I can afford it!"

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Oh my heart is breaking. It's a reworded version of the first paragraph. Big mean businessmen who want to make money keep me down. Everything is clearly a conspiracy against me - all the way from park pricing and limiting ride capacity to indirectly force people to pay more down to internet forums where people intentionally post things to piss me off so they can make more money off of me...and keep me down even more! The world keeps crapping on my dinner plate...and they only do it to me...and on purpose even!

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Maybe she didn't understand how amusement park lines work these days.

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Obviously. Because she's a victim too.

You're a victim, she's a victim...we're all victims.

That lady who didn't understand how the park lines worked, the homeless guy who lost his job, the teen with parents who struggle to make ends meet, the thrity-something who got stuck in a dead-end job, can't get into school and finds happiness trying to relive his rockstar dream, the single mom with 4 kids who counts the days to her next welfare check, the frugal husband who's so worried about his financial future and saving every penny he can that he refuses to spend a dime on anything that feels unnecessary, the middle class soccer mom trying to manage a household (and keep paying the mortgage) on two mediocre incomes...they're all victims.

Dictionary.com defines a victim as:

- a person who is deceived or cheated, as by his or her own emotions or ignorance, by the dishonesty of others, or by some impersonal agency

You know what, Travis? You are a victim...

...just not for the reasons you think you are. :)

Its a part of life that someone is always gonna have it better than you or be ahead of you no matter what. If someone spends the money and buys a Q-Bot its there right. It comes down to how the park manages it. They should never extend a quest wait time more than 30 minutes with additional Q-Botters. Someone above said to cut the amount given out. I don't know if that would work because it is a business.

This lady assaulted someone in a line that had no fast pass or whatever Disney calls it. In my book it shows a lack of self control. I've been in 100s of lines and seen tons of line jumpers. Do I want to kill them all, yes!! Do I? NO!

I do purchase a q-bot once a year with 6 of my friends. 1 day out of about 30 when I visit SFGADV. Those other 29 times and the other times at parks I have to sit and wait just like the rest of the world for Q-botters.

What's with all this victim talk? Why are you defending yourself by telling me that I am something I am not?

I agree with you about the perfectly fair and honest front-of-the-line-access systems, Gonch. Why do you have to keep disagreeing with your own points when I agree with them? Why do you keep wanting to argue with me even when I agree with you? You are acting so strange.

You actually read my Blog to find some more fuel for an argument against me? Why does it bother you so much that I now agree with your opinions?

You are still not understanding so I'll say it over and over, """I agree with you""". Business need to make money any way they can and nothing they do can be considered dishonest or immoral (like running major popular rides way under capacity to sell more Bots and to save on maintenance costs, for example) because their only responsibility is to make a profit. There is really no such thing as "Big mean businessmen who want to keep me down" because they're not keeping me down (I am now super wealthy, remember?) and they are not at all big or mean (because they need to do whatever it takes to make profits and grow).

I also very much agree with you Gonch that the poor sap who saves and saves for years so he can take his family to the Amusement park for one day has just as much of an opportunity to buy into extras than someone like me and you who have practically unlimited amounts of money falling out of their pockets. Just because he chooses not to spend doesn't give him any right to think that maybe it is unfair that he has to wait longer so that us richies can get twice as many rides.

I mean someone has to wait in the standby line, right? I'm just happy that it's not me, because I can afford the alternative.

The old Travis would say something like, "aren't we all victims of this pay-to-cut scam?" The new Travis totally agrees with Lord Goncher about front of the line access.

Why are we still talking about this?

EDIT - I have to add a smiley so we both know that this is just a friendly, casual conversation. :)

*** Edited 7/29/2007 4:29:03 PM UTC by dexter***

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Why does it bother you so much that I now agree with your opinions?

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Because you're implying I said things that I never said and do not agree with. Simple as that. Don't put words in my mouth.

Your posts only prove that in the end, you really don't get it.

When you've got to create complete fiction to stay in the discussion, you're pretty much a lost cause.

I have a great paying job and could buy the flash pass if I chose to do so. But that's not the point of it all.

And I'll iterate, Disney's system is still FREE. Anything related to pay systems is irrelavent.

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Lord Gonchar said:
- a person who is deceived or cheated, as by his or her own emotions or ignorance, by the dishonesty of others, or by some impersonal agency

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This is the guy who gets "tricked" into opening his wallet and buying stuff because of advertisements, after all.

Then I guess we don't both agree after all, Gonch. Sorry. I'll still stand by my new belief system though, especially if it will make people think about their values and maybe question some of them.

I just want to point out that all of this line jumping stuff didn't start from me in this topic.

You win the "argument" again, even though I picked a different side this time. That's all you'll hear from me about pay line jumping in this topic. I said what I had to say about how I believe it relates to this topic. Maybe we could just start over and try to get along?

By the way, you spelled "Lost Kause" wrong, stalker. (Kidding about the "stalker". I just thought it was funny.) :)

Sorry. The lost cause pun was unintentional. Though that would've been a great one. Now I'm pissed I didn't think of it.

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Maybe we could just start over and try to get along?

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But that's just it, man - I thought we did get along. I welcome the opposing view. I say it all the time, but what fun would things be if we all agreed.

Everytime we get into the topic, it's all the same players. Myself, you, matt, RGB and so on. It's fun. We push each other to continually re-evaluate our POV's and see things from differing angles.

I enjoy the hell out of it.

My only request is that you don't take it so personally. :)

I don't know either of you guys. (refering to dexter and Gonch). That said, don't you think this thread at the very least got a little out of hand?

I do, Gary. Sincere or not in my reply to RollerCoastin!!!'s post, I suppose I was too harsh and that's one reason why it kept escalating. Right now, I apologize to everyone for that.

Just for the record, via pm, I did apologize and explained myself to a few of the people I spoke nasty with or who took offense a few days ago. Using an unwilling participant to make my point in that way was very wrong. I hope admitting that and apologizing is enough.

It might be best for me to limit my posts whenever the subject comes up since I get so worked up over it. I feel like a broken record sometimes, but I really don't know how many readers are new or unfamiliar to my ideas about line jumping for a fee. Let me state here that I have put forth a lot of thought and effort in forming my beliefs about Q-Bot and Fast Pass.

About Victims, I admit that me being poor is an exaggeration in order to make a point. I really do honestly believe that we are all "victims" of line cut scams, both users and non-users. I honestly do not feel that I am the only person affected by it and therefore do not wish to portray myself as the sole "victim" who whines and states "poor me" all the time like I have been perceived. I'll try to figure out how to not be so annoying about that, and yet still make my point.

You wouldn't know it by the tone of most of my posts, but believe it or not, I am a very nice, easy going guy in real life. This is one subject that really hits a nerve with me hard.

Now let's talk about Teacups! :)