Woman beaten for line jumping at tea cups at Disneyworld

WOW!!!!!!

Its so weird to see somebody who actually started a thread all about being nice to each other and respecting each other ATTACk another poster in less than 24 hrs. Cuck-coo

Dexter wasn't speaking literally there. He was whining because a fair number of people here don't agree with the poster's opinion--which also happens to be his. But given his own 'you should THINK about the poor human being you're talking to' thread, your point still stands...

Majortom1981: Given your point of view, no wonder the rideops ignored you. In my less-than-humble opinion, they should have.

-'Playa

A more detailed story here.

The key here is that no one is confirming that the woman actually did cut in line in any way. The only one saying that at this point is the attacker.

In fact, the article calls is a "perceived slight" - which I find quite interesting as well.

Couple that with this comment:

"Everybody was going to get on the ride," said Orange County sheriff's spokesman Jim Solomons. "You shake your head and wonder how this could happen."

And my mind starts to fill in the blanks.

Sounds like there were more than enough seats still available for both parties to ride and for whatever reason the attacker felt the victim was slipping onto the ride before her and went ballistic.
(note: that's based on nothing but my interpretation of the article)

I think everyone is looking in the wrong direction to place blame here. I'm not sure this has anything to do with line cutting and it certainly has nothing to do with virtual queue systems - seems like a case where two parties were both about to board the ride and one thought the other was taking their spot and acted out in violence.

Based on the article Gonch linked to, it sounds like the whole incident is based on something stupid like they both wanted the purple tea cup.

Maybe this was one of those "straws that broke the camel's back" situations. Sounds like the attacker was plenty pissed off at something by the time she got in line. But no matter what, for a 230 lb woman to shove a kid is inexcusable.

Thinking out loud ('cause everyone here loves it so much when I do that). ;)

Both parties WERE going to get on the ride...but maybe the attendant was trying to fill the Teacups in an orderly fashion by *grouping* the parties in order to maximize throughput...the lady who got "bypassed" was STILL going to get on the ride, just not in the cup that the attendant was filling *at THAT precise moment*. But since the other party was moved AROUND her party (which in my guessing game was too large to fit in the teacup being filled right then), she went ballistic.

Wow, people amaze me sometimes...I just wish it happened more often in a way to IMPRESS me, rather than in a way to DEPRESS me...meh.

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CoastaPlaya said:
Dexter wasn't speaking literally there. He was whining because a fair number of people here don't agree with the poster's opinion--which also happens to be his. But given his own 'you should THINK about the poor human being you're talking to' thread, your point still stands...

Majortom1981: Given your point of view, no wonder the rideops ignored you. In my less-than-humble opinion, they should have.

-'Playa

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I see you are one of these line jumping is only bad when it happens to me people. You are probably one of those same people that only blast Six Flags for it happening.

How would you like being stuck in the line for mission space for an hour and a half only to have 10 people cut infront of you and get on in 20 min (i mean cutting infront of you in the standby line)?

Also if you read what gonchar posted it states that the ride ops ignored this at first;

"Krause said she and others asked at least twice for the operator to call security and have Walker removed."

So obviously I am not the only person who this has happened too.

This is why I hate this site. Mention anything GOOD about the Six Flags chain and you will get flamed till no end.

The article states that the fight started in the line and the one lady who was beat actually started it. *** Edited 7/26/2007 6:51:39 PM UTC by majortom1981***

I think all three of our posts (myself, RGB & Gator) say essentially the same thing.

That's gotta be a first! :)

It annoys me that the one woman tried to place blame on the park again. Why is it always the park's fault when something happens?

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Lord Gonchar said:I think all three of our posts (myself, RGB & Gator) say essentially the same thing.That's gotta be a first!

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I'd better go edit mine.... ;)

It sounded to me like there was more to this than just one party going around the other because of the numbers. The party claiming line jumping was 2 and the other was 3 so there would be no reason for that kind of scenario. The claim of earlier violence intitiated by the smaller woman combined with the fact that they just let both women go leads me to believe they both were acting up. I think if only one woman was attacking the other without provocation the way the report discribes the end of the fight, she would have been removed regardless of apparant lack of injury. Who started it is anyone's guess. I think they both mixed it up. And I don't think there was any self defense.

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RavenTTD said:
party claiming line jumping was 2 and the other was 3 so there would be no reason for that kind of scenario.

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The attacker was there with one child and the victim was there with four children.

So that's a party of two and a party of five.

^^^ Majortom1981: Find a post where I blast Six Flags about ANYTHING. I've had good visits to SFKK, SFEG, STSTL, the former SFWOA and the much-maligned SFMM, among the parks people love to hate. So go on, find one from me. We'll wait here.

Have I 'cut the line' in the past? Absolutely--and I'll do it again, too. I haven't Q-botted (yet), but I've Universal Expressed, I've Fastlaned and I'm about to do some major ERT tomorrow. If you ask me, they're all perks that serve much the same purpose.

Do parks allow line-jumping for free? Even ask for it? You bet. Single rider? Any single riders in line? How about a group of two? I hear rideops ask for 'em all the time. What makes THEM so special? Why should THEY get in front of me? I'll let you ask those questions. I won't.

Like I said, I'll LET people past me for the right reasons. On the other hand, I've also chased whole groups out of line. But there's plenty of grey area there; more to it than meets a simpleton's eye...

-'Playa

^^Wups, I forgot the two friends.

Maybe it's just me. But I say to all line cutters, Both legal and illegal.

Let the beatings continue!

Of course Im not for violence but I've seen and been involved in several instances of Q Line violence or just the threat of it happening.

Chuck, Get in line and wait with everyone else and Where's the problem? If you leave you forfit.

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dexter said:
Most of us have the extra cash to "throw away" at parks and we don't need to hear an opinion AGAINST line-jumping-for-a-fee "Privileges". We all find the "service" to be very helpful in allowing us to steal some poor sucker's place in line, and if you and other like-minded "Victims" keep complaining about it, there is a chance that the parks will listen and decide to not let us rich folk pay to break the rules anymore, and then where would we be?

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And the irony of this sarcastic rant being that Disney's FastPass is actually FREE>

But since when do we let facts get in the way of a good rant?

^"It's not free, it's included in the ticket price".....oops. ;)

When will Disney learn? :)

Am I being sarcastic? Really? Or maybe I flipped my opinion and now see things differently.

Due to the very convincing pro-line-jumper posts I have read here recently, I have formed a new opinion on the subject and I am trying to fit in better here at CoasterBuzz by keeping the emphasis on what's good for the amusement business (More $$$Money$$$) and less about a good experience for all amusement customers.

I just came into a LOT of money. I don't care anymore about all the poor folk who are forced to wait longer so that I can get the special treatment I deserve. I WILL make people wait longer just because I can. I don't care if it is immoral or "unfair". Boo Hoo.

I now have more money than everyone who posts here so my opinion is right. That's just the way CoasterBuzz works.

On topic...

Violence should not be a solution in any circumstance, especially at a business frequented by families and kids. I wonder why line time is so important that people would fight about it? I hope non-VIP-people don't expect to be able to actually ride everything at a park in just one day. That's just crazy talk.

Wow! Step away from the keyboard, man.

I still often wonder why you paint yourself as a victim so often. Your posts all seem to blame someone.

More than anything you need to learn to deal with the issue that people will disagree with your opinion, Dex.

The real fun will come when the VIP folks start attacking the 'regular' customers for acting like dicks because they couldn't justify buying into the system. :)

What are you talking about Gonch? I'm with you on this one. I agree with you about line cutting privileges. You must have misunderstood my post, which is okay because I have misunderstood a lot of your posts on the subject in the past. I'm not playing a victim at all.

I'm very sorry for not seeing things clearly before. I just hope more people will change their minds like I did. We shouldn't have to tolerate wrong opinions.

EDIT - Their's no need to respond to my new viewpoint on the subject. I hope that everyone can just accept that I feel the same way Gonch and the others feel about so-called "line jumping for a fee" and leave it at that. I really don't want to argue about my opinions any more, both the new opinions and the old opinions. I don't want to have to defend myself on my new opinion too.

No offense intended at all, but you all could talk about YOUR opinions for a change? I added my "me too" post and I want to fade back into the background. *** Edited 7/27/2007 5:21:09 AM UTC by dexter***

Oh, I see.

Sorry it took so long to read your response. I got caught up playing Tony Hawk on the Wii. The kids just picked it up last week and it's so much fun on the 55" HDTV we picked up last month before the first of our two week-long vacations.

(just playing along...well, except that my story is true :) )

Long live Q-bot. (now I can teach you the secret handshake and show you where the real entrance to the park and coasters are...no more minions for you, my friend!)

Sad that you've gotten so worked up about it. At least take it to a thread that has something to do with the topic. This story is the result of a misunderstanding and an overreaction (to say the least) - our precious virtual queue systems have nothing to do with this topic.