will we ever see anymore Arrow MegaLoopers??

Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:50 PM
you know in todays theme park industry, we are constantly introduced to cutting edge technology....and yes it is providing us with heartstopping thrills, but im wondering if anyone is nostalgic like me??  i got to thinkin about the classic Arrow Looper the other day....i know they can be "migrane machines", but face it folks, they were a gateway into the world of coasters we live in now!!  lochness, GASM, Viper, Ninja, the list goes on and on.....so my question is, do any of you think that we will ever see any of those classics built in the future, or are they off the drawing boards now??  for that matter, do any of you want to see any??  just thought id throw that out there.....
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Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:57 PM
really don't know, but I hope so... The SFMM Viper is one of my favorite coasters...I think the latest of them is the 1999 Tennessee Tornado--

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Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:03 PM
I think the success of TT gives them a chance of a comeback. A lot will hinge on X, even though it isn't the same type of coaster it will give the industry a new perspective on Arrow. They will be able to make informed decisions about if Arrow has solved some of their problems. I have no doubt that if these coasters weren't considered rough they would still be very popular.
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Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:07 PM
if there's a God, no we won't.  I know it isn't Arrow's fault that Shockwave @ SFGA is in the parking lot, but that just made it worse.  if it was at least themed a little, I might like it a little more.  however, if Arrow can come up with more inversion types, design better lay-outs, and remove the head banging, then I might consider riding one again.
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Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:35 PM
The only Arrow Megalooper I ever liked was the Steel Phantom and that was odd in it's small number of inversions (4) and high speed...the problem with most of the megaloopers isn't just the earbanging, IMO it's also the poor layouts (inversion after inversion with no air hills, helices, or any other elements for that matter), and too much braking which causes excessive hangtime in the later inversions and makes them even more uncomfortable...a genre of rides that's thankfully dead at this point...leave looping to 4th Dimensions and B&M!
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Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:37 PM
I agree with coaster Jedi. Arrow isnt the greatest company.
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Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:00 PM
I hope we do see more of them.
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Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:02 PM
i hope so too, they are pure classics, but they do need to be desinged better so they age alot better, they are getting pretty unbearable
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Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:44 PM
I don't know... SFMM's Viper gets better every time I ride it.

I'd love to see more of these built. Nothing new (except maybe better restraints; softer, maybe). No need to change or rearrange the inversions. Keep doing the loops high in the air; it makes them unique. Trim the hell out of the last part of the ride; going through corkscrews slow is more fun than it probably should be. Design the midcourse brakes so that you get the pop of air like you do on Viper.

Arrow's megaloopers from the late 80's and early 90's were what got us to where we are today. Let's not forget that.

I can't see exactly why everyone hates them so much. Is it because they're rough? Is it because most of them have no theming? Is it because we've been spoiled by a certain Swiss company who shall remain nameless? I admit, while they aren't the best coasters out there, they don't get the credit they deserve.
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Thursday, September 27, 2001 4:33 AM
I still enjoy the Vortex at Kings Island.  That is a good Arrow with speed and inversions!
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Thursday, September 27, 2001 4:50 AM
Sure we will, it's called X.

(I hate it when people need to neatly classify every variation of coaster.)

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Thursday, September 27, 2001 4:58 AM
I thought Tennessee Tornado is a Arrow Megalooper. In fact, thats the first Arrow built loop with their non-traditional radius and height. And Im sure X will have plenty of derivations.
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Thursday, September 27, 2001 6:45 AM
If they do I hope they change there inversions, I hate the small loops 50 ft off the gruond, it looks so "RCT" lol.
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Thursday, September 27, 2001 7:08 AM
I think with Tennessee Tornado getting rave reviews and X opening soon (we hope) Arrow will be building loopers for a long time to come. Besides, the price for an Arrow looper (like TT) would be quite a bit less than a B&M looper. RCDB says TT was 8 Million. I think B&M loopers go for at least 14 Million these days, Wildfire was $14 million. (RCDB)

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Thursday, September 27, 2001 7:16 AM
Why would a park would build an Arrow mega-looper when they could have a B&M floorless is beyond me.
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Thursday, September 27, 2001 7:27 AM
I would like to see new generation Arrow hypers!
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Thursday, September 27, 2001 8:05 AM
Arrow are marketing to parks with lower budgets and can deliver a high-quality ride, therefore, if a park wants one, we will indeed see more large rides by them. Keep in mind that many of the intense Arrows were due to unsophisticated computers (some of the best at that time) and limited track-bending styles.

Not to mention the fact that Ron Toomer, as nice as he is, decided to not get with the new until it was too late.

They are capable of producing anything (yes including the quality of B&M) now with their technology and staff, thats why Im surprised Kennywood decided to shy away from having them do the Revenge.

*** This post was edited by john peck on 9/27/2001. ***

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Thursday, September 27, 2001 8:16 AM
ok, I must say that I do like the loops that are off the ground.  I've come to use the big blue loop of Shockwave standing high up in the air as a sort of beacon.  that and the first drop and, if they would theme the darn thing, the corkscrews on SW are the best.  otherwise, Arrow needs to come up with some new stuff. 

does X invert 7 times?  you've got the raven turn, the back flip, the front flip, the other raven turn, and that's all I can think of.  if you really want, you can consider the flip going down the first hill and into the station, but that still only 6.  even though technically it isn't a mega looper, I'd consider it a mega.  can anyone confirm the above inversions?

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Thursday, September 27, 2001 11:17 AM
I heard on TT that Arrow used the same spring lock (something or another) that B&M uses. That is why it was not as rough as the others. If you noticed on old Arrow loopers like Corkscrew at CP, some of the wheels come off of the track. Their still on the rails , they just aren't fastened with springs to make them less bumpy.

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Thursday, September 27, 2001 11:20 AM
The Steel Phantom was awesome.
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