"If this wagon's a-rockin don't come a knockin!"
Wait a sec. Let me get this straight. You're ok with the visuals of men shooting each other and fighting with the violence and all, but implied sexual activity is offensive?
Welcome to America, folks!
Mamoosh said:
What's wrong with visuals of men shooting?Ooooooh...you meant with guns! Nevermind ;)
One word: Wow.
i'm not sure what to put here..
As for the guns shooting thing, well I understand that arugement, but guns and wildwest shootouts are not something you really have to explain to kids. They naturally get that sort of thing. Whereas a kid might ask why that lady is sticking her leg out and that wagon is moving that way. Sure you can explain it away as something else..but that's the point. If you have to lie and pretend about something to a kid, should it be in the game at all?
The very idea that graphic murder (or even attempted murder) is acceptable and doesn't need to be 'explained away', but the implied act of lovemaking does is ridiculous and in 99% of the rest of the world the response would be just the opposite.
Assuming your child is one who cannot seperate reality from fantasy and decides to act upon what they see in a video game, would you rather have your child killing their fellow man or screwing them?
Granted, I understand that the views expressed by the original post and by Coasterbuf are indicitive of our American society, but we Americans are very alone in that approach of 'right and wrong' and in this case I tend to agree with the rest of the world.
Make love not war, man. :)
Kids grow up with that stuff. I am sure you played cowboys and indians when you were a kid. I did too. And we are not mass murders. And that kind of thing extends to video games as well. It's a non issue in this context. Now if you are talking about an 8 year old playing the game Postal, then yeah..I have a problem with that. But a stunt show? No. It's just not the same thing. And really Gonchar, to be blunt, I agree with the make love, not war concept, but there has to be an age limit for the former!! :)
I personally don't see a problem with the whole stunt show 'action' thing. If a kid's parents are doing their job, they'll know what the kids are playing and won't allow anything they don't agree with.
Coasterbuf said:
I SINCERELY doubt that 99% of the world feels the opposite.
Time to get out more. The rest of the world is generally appalled at how violent and accepting of violence Americans are.
TV in other countries shows nudity and sexual content with the same non-discresion that our news shows corpses and prime time programming features shootouts and murder and graphically violent content.
But the whole world stopped in USA when Janet's partially covered boobie was exposed.
Americans are the 'weird' ones on the sex/violence issues.
Kids only grow up with that stuff because that's the environment Americans foster.
And Tekno makes a decent point with the porno comment.
Assuming under some weird circumstances you were forced to make your child watch either a real murder or two people having sex - which would you choose? I think the answer is obvious.
Dumb it down a little. Would you rather have you child see R-rated fake graphic murder such as a horror flick or some action film like scarface or cinemax's after dark, fake sex offering?
Dumb it down more. PG-13 style violence or PG-13 style sex.
Dumb it down to a basic level of TV or games - the shootout in the wild west show or a wagon rocking?
So why when it comes time to dictate what is acceptable do we start to make weirder and weirder decisions the more fake it becomes?
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