Why not another Millenium Force?

Wednesday, September 7, 2005 11:10 PM
I have to ask this. Whether or not it has been asked before i never saw. This makes sense. Most people seem to like this ride, and it is a consistent favorite, also with another Intamin in Superman. The question is with the popularity of these coasters, i know excluding the other two supermans, why has no one decided to build another one.

Plus i know what some of you think. Its intamin ill pass, but admit it most of you have tried them and liked these two coasters. What stops a park from saying wow these are doing well, and recieve some great accolades, both being named coaster of the year for steel. Is money a factor? Or is the sheer size of them just to much for parks to put on a small amount of space. I always thought that someone else would be up to the task. Trust me i am not the biggest intamin fan but, enjoy a few of their coasters immenely, MF and Stormrunner, unfortunately no ride on Supes yet. Just want to hear what you guys and gals think.

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Wednesday, September 7, 2005 11:13 PM
Cost, mostly. Few parks can spend that kind of capital on a new coaster. If/when a park wants one Intamin will deliver. Remember parks dictate what the manufacturers build, not the other way around.
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Wednesday, September 7, 2005 11:25 PM
Not only that, but who has that amount of space that they're willing to give up for one ride?
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Wednesday, September 7, 2005 11:31 PM
Not to mention their recient legal trouble (ex. SFOG going with B&M)
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Wednesday, September 7, 2005 11:48 PM
Not one of my favorites. I get more action from a 3000ft woodie.

Your mileage may vary.

Chuck, who was blown away by it his first visit but now finds it VERY BORING.

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Wednesday, September 7, 2005 11:58 PM
I still find it to be a very powerful ride. I'll probably always be attached to it to some degree because I got to watch it go up.
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:13 AM
Chuck, I have to ask, have you been on Superman at SFNE yet? I get more action out of THAT than any woodie, and I tend to prefer wooden coasters myself.

Like others have said, we haven't seen another Millie due to a combination of cost and space. When another park decides they want one, we'll see it, but that's a HUGE investment in more than one way...

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 2:53 AM
Yup, S:ROS at SFNE kicked butt. We got lucky and caught the park on a day running two trains and it rained about 5pm. Got over 40 rides on it when the crowd thinned out.

I still don't think thats what took away from Millie though. It's just fast and thats about it.

Your right Im a woodie snob and honestly at SFNE I prefered Cyclone but it was only running one train so we only got two rides. Both backseat.

Still a shame, I'll probably never be able to ride S:ROS or Millie again,

Chuck *** Edited 9/8/2005 6:53:30 AM UTC by Charles Nungester***

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 6:21 AM
Land issues, cost, and maybe everyone is starting to get there hands on rockets? Or already has some sort of hyper. Wheather it be Givanolla or B&M or Intamin.
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:09 PM
And though there isn't another Intamin Giga built after Millie, there is a Morgan in Japan. Both in the top 5 longest in the world, and top 10 tallest/fastest.

Both also cost more than a few pennies too.

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:21 PM
Yeah didnt SD2K sit on a big $50,000,000 investment, which is insane i dont care what country its in. That could feed alot of people in this world, but now it doesnt run, so at least intamin has a more respected running giga.
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:45 PM

Colin Fisher said:
Land issues, cost, and maybe everyone is starting to get there hands on rockets? Or already has some sort of hyper. Wheather it be Givanolla or B&M or Intamin.

Also, don't forget that CP had Magnum for quite a long time. It was pretty old when they put in MF. Most parks are just recently within the past few years putting in mega coasters. So, it would be silly to invest in a giga coaster when you have a mega coaster that's only a few years old. Money would be better spent on something different. I guess the parks that don't have a mega coaster could consider a giga, but most of them probably have less money to spend on something on that magnitude.

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:50 PM
If a park wants a coaster of that type, a 200 ft coaster will most likely serve to attract the target audience, at less cost.

Millenium Force is a lot of hype IMO because of it's size. They layout isn't very interesting except for the overbanked turns.

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Friday, September 9, 2005 6:48 PM
a) Not many people have the room
b) You don't build a coaster that subtracts from your flagship park in your own chain (well, at least not in Cedar Fair land)
c) Pricetag
d) We'll all be dead by the next Millennium
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Friday, September 9, 2005 6:58 PM
Re item B - aren't Mamba and Steel Force taller and longer than Magnum? Both were built before Millie, therefore by your standard both subtract from Maggie @ CP.
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Friday, September 9, 2005 7:28 PM
I agree that it is a huge investment for another Giga, but I don't think it's as hard as everyone is making it out to be.

1. MF cost 25 million that is the same as KK and TTD. So yes they are expensive but not some rediculous number.

2. Other than the lift hills giga's don't have to take up that much more room than other rides. Parks can do what CP point did and make the track length smaller with a magnetic braking system. And offcourse the space that the lift hill takes up can be reduced by making a steeper lift like a cable lift like on MF. Here is a question for you other CP experts which rides lift takes up more space: Magnum or MF?

Giga coasters can be as cheep as intamin terra rockets, but are much more reliable, better, and longer rides.

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Friday, September 9, 2005 11:29 PM
Remember what Millennium Force's cost was, a huge $48,000,000! But it paid for itself in the first season.
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Friday, September 9, 2005 11:48 PM
48,000,000$? Sorry... but that was 25 millions for MF, not 48! Steel Dragon 2000 was said to be 51 millions (converted from yens to US$) when it opened in 2000.

A 25 millions investment for a single coaster is just way too big for most parks! For the price, most amusement park could build a whole new area with coasters, flat rides, shops and restaurants!

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Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:22 AM
And technically, that price tag included a lot of landscaping and the move of Giant Wheel. No idea what the ride itself cost.
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Saturday, September 10, 2005 2:03 AM

GIGAFORCE01 said:
1. MF cost 25 million that is the same as KK and TTD. So yes they are expensive but not some rediculous number.

There are still very few parks that can justify that kind of pricetag, though.

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