Why not a Diving Machine?


Turbo said:
Weird you said that tekno, because, I was talking to an employee of BGT who is in my FTPLA club, and he said he saw the blueprints for "a Jaw dropping new B&M." weird.....

....... is this going to be the long awaited B&M 4D ?
It has to be about ready by now if Porta Aventura wants to get one for it's aniversary in 2005.

A dive machine at BGT??? To quote Steve O: "Yeah dude" :-)

Oblivion may be a one trick pony, but that's not necessarily a bad thing; it depends upon the quality of the trick. I've never encountered a greater feeling of suspence and apprehension prior to the drop of a ride and I've never experienced a better drop than that of Oblivion on ANY other type of ride.

Don't forget folks that a good proportion of the cost of Oblivion was the excavation required to accomodate the drop owing to the very strict "not above treetop level" regulations imposed upon Alton Tower's ride designs.

Best,

B

ApolloAndy's avatar
The chiller does have a vertical drop either. :P

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Rampage said:
I would tend to think the reasoning would be that whenever Oblivion was built, Alton Towers has a "patent" so to say on that coaster. By the time the "patent" had expired, the diving coaster was out of the loop and no one really wanted to get one anymore. Kinda like stand-ups are today. lol

It must have been an awfully short patent. The clone G5 opened at Janfunsen Fancyworld just 2 years after Oblivion. *** Edited 3/17/2004 7:07:51 PM UTC by Jeffrey Seifert***

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Alton Towers's exclusivity contract on Obivion was market-exclusive, not world-exclusive.

mOOSH


Mamoosh said:
Alton Towers's exclusivity contract on Obivion was market-exclusive, not world-exclusive.


Well.... There goes my theory. ;) Thanks Moosh!


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Mamoosh said:
Alton Towers's exclusivity contract on Obivion was market-exclusive, not world-exclusive.

mOOSH


Why bother with an exclusivity contract? Who else in that market would even think of buying a B&M, let alone a diving machine? Tussauds owns every single B&M in England.


jomo said:

RollerCoasterManiac said:ok..you say that "normal" coasters have the ability to perform 90 degree drops. I agree but I dont see straight drop coasters all over the place either.

Mr. Freeze, Batman and Robin The Chiller, Speed the Ride, TTD, Wicked Twister, X, etc. And even if you don't consider those "normal" coasters, rides like Millennium Force come just about as close to a 90-degree drop as you can get without actually doing it.


Don't forget the Deja Vu's, the standard Impulses, the Gerstlauer Euro-Fighters, and hopefully coming soon to a Paramount park near you, the proposed Adams Family Verticle Drop coasters.


And Xcelerator, and Storm Runner, and Hypersonic XLC, and Dodonpa.........


TeknoScorpion said:


Look @ B&M's early standups. Not much to them, but they got bigger over time.


Careful there. The first versions of the B&M Standup have what I call "First Gen Corkscrews" which are nothing more than very intense, tight whipping sensation corks.

Don't forget that Scorcher is the last of them, and might be arguably the smallest.

Mamoosh's avatar
Jeffrey askes:

"Why bother with an exclusivity contract? Who else in that market would even think of buying a B&M, let alone a diving machine? Tussauds owns every single B&M in England."

It does seem to make more sense in more competitive markets, doesn't it? ;)

mOOSH

rollergator's avatar
The only time I've heard of/read about any sort of *exclusivity contract* that made sense to me was in the SoCal market with the S&S rides....ensuring that every park got a different ride. Works out for the parks, AND for S&S as well....:)
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I have an exclusive on M:TR... or so I heard.

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Homey G. said:

TeknoScorpion said:


Look @ B&M's early standups. Not much to them, but they got bigger over time.


Careful there. The first versions of the B&M Standup have what I call "First Gen Corkscrews" which are nothing more than very intense, tight whipping sensation corks.

Don't forget that Scorcher is the last of them, and might be arguably the smallest.


Iron Wolf and the two Paramount Vortex stand-ups are smaller than The Georgia Scorcher, and what do you know? Those were the first three to be installed.

That tight-whipping sensation isn't just limited to the earlier stand-ups. The Riddler's Revenge's last and final inversion - the second corkscrew, has that snap at the apex of the maneuver very akin to the element found on B&M's earlier models.

Mamoosh's avatar
Nasai sez:

"I have an exclusive on M:TR... or so I heard."

You do, even tho you've never ridden it ;)


Nasai sez:

"I have an exclusive on M:TR... or so I heard."

You do, even tho you've never ridden it


With all the ERT's held on that ride, I find it hard to believe ;o)

ApolloAndy's avatar
Is Nemesis Inferno not a B&M in England not at AT?

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Homey G. said:Careful there. The first versions of the B&M Standup have what I call "First Gen Corkscrews" which are nothing more than very intense, tight whipping sensation corks.

Oh, trust me, I wasn't saying anything negative. Actually, I've only ridden first gen B&M Standups, Vortex @ PCar, and Iron Wolf @ SFGAm. I actually liked Iron Wolf Better, but both are good coasters.

And I think the post said that Tussauds(not Alton Towers) owned all the B&Ms in England, and I believe they own Thorpe Park where NI is at too, Andy. *** Edited 3/18/2004 6:08:36 AM UTC by TeknoScorpion***

Thanks for the replies all. I know there are coasters that have or close to 90 degree drops. Some of you were saying the Mr. Freezes of the coasterworld. I was talking about more full circuit of a ride. I dont know how long Oblivion keeps the "87.5" degree angle, but take MF for instance, its 80 degreer or so is quick. Just thought I would clarify that a little.

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it holds it for at least 60 feet, because it remains at that angle from when you drop from the top to the time you enter the tunnel. it also pulls heavy g's (5+), so the turn up must be pretty sharp, and the drop is 180 ft. so I guess it must stay pretty long.

Also, many coasters drops aren't in a straight down position very long. I found MF's to hold it for a pretty long amount of time, for example look here

nasai's avatar
Uh, that's Hypersonic, and the car is going up. ;)

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