why do manufactures have small vechile seat?

Did you ever go somewhere like Cades Cove in the smokies or someplace that has old log cabins.

The doors are only 5'7" and AVERAGE people now days would have to duck to get through them. People are getting larger, Not just in height but in width.

Chuck who admits that I am even large for a overweight person but some rides are rediculous like the impulses mentioned above. I fit the seat fine, The bar comes way down over my body and clicks about 5 times and the seatbelt is 3 inches too short..

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It seems us park nuts aren't the only ones complaining about small seats. It seems that in Great Britian there is an initiative to remodel some of their older theaters, specifically replacing the seating to something that the typical American tourist can sit in comfortably.

Chuck - yes I've been to a few historical sites where the term "Watch your head" takes on a whole new meaning.

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Yeah, but wouldn't increasing the seat and restraint size raise the minimum height for the kids? I don't mean to be rude, but the children are a lot more deserving than out of shape people. Who would you rather disappoint? A kid or some fat guy?
I would rather disappoint a older person such as 20-so on because kids like to have fun and they might just some day become a coaster fan and they are much more active than older people as in 20- and so on. They are also willing to try new things to. They deserve to ride the rides we ride the big scream machines.
Most of my family is tall and noone is fat and if the kids can't ride the ride, that is what kiddie coasters or family coasters are for. Do they have tall person coasters or fat person coasters. Not that I know of.

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In my opinion, this isn't a problem that roller coaster manufacturers should be worried about, but roller coaster riders. Just because some people are too lazy to get up and exercise, doesn't mean companies should worry themselves with the needs of these people. There are cases where extreme size is not caused by lifestyle, but for the majority of people, the problem is over-eating and lack of exercise.

If someone is extremely tall and they can't ride amusement rides, then I truly feel sorry for them. Their large height is not their fault, and there's nothing they can do about it. This goes the same for people with a DIAGNOSED disorder that causes them to be overweight. In my opinion, however, if you can't ride a roller coaster because of your lifestyle, well that's too bad for you. If you're perfectly capable of changing your life, then do it. Don't expect parks and ride manufacturers to change for you.

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The Jack Rabbit does have restraints. The large black lap bar and seat belt are all safety devices that keep riders securely(SP?) in their seats. The moment that riders take those belts off or move their legs out of the way of the lap bar, they are compromising their safety.

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coasterfreak7788 said:
I would rather disappoint a older person such as 20-so on because kids like to have fun and they might just some day become a coaster fan and they are much more active than older people as in 20- and so on. They are also willing to try new things to. They deserve to ride the rides we ride the big scream machines.

Here my story. I've been riding roller coasters for about 7 years now. I'm 18 going on 19 right now. I've came to love riding roller coaster. In 2001 and before, I never had the slightest problem riding roller coasters. Year 2002 was not so long ago. Come to find out, right now I can't ride arrow's with OTSR [at least the older ones], impulses? nope, B&M's? barily, but it's a real tight fit.

Physical dementions, 6'5" 320 42 inch waist. I might not have a 6 pack, but I'm certainly not bulky around the mid section. I'm tall and built, plain and simple. If I'm lucky, I'll comfortably fit a 38, but there simply isn't much room for improvment. You can burn off fat, but bones will never budge.

There's nothing worse than being cut away from something you love. It comes to be doubly true when it comes from soemthing you didn't cause.

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You guyz just have to cut off some of that weight around your stomach hehehehe. Also i think it was Gerstlauer (no link- i think), who's company are making these new types of restraints which can fit all sizes, they have these bucket seats which look pretty cool. sorry i don't have the link
Steel Monsters you have the same problem I have, not only can your stomach size be a problem on OSTRs but chest size. I can fit my fist through the bottom of the horse coller on most rides, my sholders are where the problem is. I can ride BM flyers (by the hair of my chin), BM inverts (though it is a tough fit) and any arrow looper (but they can crunch my spine from time to time). I have yet to have any problem with any lap bar restraints. I can't ride most impulses but SFWOA's Superman I did get on even though I couldn't make it on SFGA's V2 2 weeks prior to going to Ohio.

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I disagree that genetics are the culprit to blame for Americans weight problems. That simply cannot be, because Americans come from all corners of the globe, and hence all have different biological and genetic make-up.


The same goes for Canada.

The problem with the sizes lies in the diet. Other countries are not as cancerous-food-eating as the west, so they aren't as large and overweight.

The problem isnt with the coasters, its with the people.

(Should there be warnings on big macs? Just like cigarettes?)
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Less Mcdonalds more greens... LOL
I completely agree with what CoasterKrazy said.

If you're overweight it's your problem, not the parks. The coaster seats are pefectly fine for nearly everyone, especially the B&M and Intamins. My best friend's dad is about 6'3" and atleast 250lbs. He isn't fat at all, and he's ridden everything at CP, SFMM, Knott's, and IOA. The only reason a person would be too big to ride a coaster is because their fat and out of shape (a trait I've noticed that many Acers have), and in that case do some excerising besides moving a mouse around.

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Nice attitude, IOA and I'm 6-2 200 and can ride everything too. Just remember when you point a finger, 3 more are pointing back at you. ;)

There's some validity to the evolution/mutation theory of man. What's the average heighth and weight of a normal man. 5-10 and about 190 pounds.

Guess what the average heighth of the average man who fought in the Cival War?

5-5 and about 145 pounds. You do the math.

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I'm not an enthusiast, I just play one on message boards.

No, I'm with IOA, the recent trend of "larger" American Enthusiasts has little to do with genetics and more to do with lifestyle. While it may be true that there has been growth from the Civil War era, studies show that over the last 25 years, the average height of Americans has remained relatively flat. So those 1970's coaster restraint sizes should be sufficient. However, as we've seen, there are a gang of people who cannot fit. Is it because eveloution is working at a frenzied pace? The evidence does not suggest it. I believe that the "super sizing" of meals and the "clean plate committee" attitude and the prevalence of take-out meals replacing 'traditional' home cooked meals provides a far more compelling arguement.

BTW: Homey G. the average height of a man at time of enlistment in the Civil War was actually 5'8. Though 5'5" *might* have been the average height of all men during that era....but not the ones that actually *fought* in the war
lata, jeremy

--a believer in environment over genetics...ever see Trading Places?

I'm sorry I don't agree with half of the statements here. I'm 5'5 and 2** lbs (a woman rarly tells her real weight), and I have problems with OTSR's. I can ride just about any lapbar coaster, but when it comes to OTSR's my chest size is the problem. And there is no diet in the world that can help me lose weight in the chest area. So Please tell me how some of you can sit, stand, etc. there and say that genetics has nothing to do with the size of americans today. Find me a picture, story that shows that during civil war era women had large breast sizes. Very few! More women have larger breast sizes today (and not by surgery) than back then. If that is not by genetics then what is. I could stand to lose a few pounds but that still won't make it any easier for me to ride with OTSR's.
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I have a question?Do the restrainets on Impulse coasters or any other Intamin inverted coaster all go down so far? What I mean is when I rode Volcano at PKD, I started the ride fitting the restrainet fine, but by the end of the ride the harnest locked down closer to my body, so much that I was being sqweezed, and I couldent breath! I have yet to ride a impulse coaster, but if I im going to fit the same way in the restrainets I dont think I want to ride. I think the main reason it happened was becuase the ride was going so fast, and then going up the Volcano I might have pulled it down on me tighter? who knows.
It isn't merely a matter of genetics, but also of nutrition. We are better fed today than we were even 50 years ago. Our food is better for us, and we grow larger not just because we eat more, but because our bodies can make better use of the food we eat, because the food we eat is better.

That accounts for Americans getting taller and larger-framed. I am taller and larger than my Dad, he is taller and larger than my grandfather was...and working at a University, I see that our current students are taller and bigger than me and my classmates were at the same University.

This is part of the story, and it is happening around the world, and is most noticeable in those parts of the world where a Westernized diet is creeping in and making the people bigger.

That's half of the story, and it is the half of the story that a lot of people in this discussion don't want to consider. It's because you don't see this effect in the people you hang out with, the people you visit parks with, because in terms of height and frame they all look just like you. What you don't notice is that they're all bigger than their parents.

Of course the other part of the story is simply that people tend to eat too much for the amount of activity they engage in. What's with the silent neighborhoods in the summertime these days? In the summertime when I was a young lad, I was never at home. I was out on my bicycle cruising all over the city; I was off to the library to write computer programs; I was playing ball in the street; I was in the pool taking a swim; I was out doing stuff. Why? It was too damned hot to stay in the house. Today the homes are climate controlled, the TV shows are more interesting, the computer has an Internet connection, parents are paranoid, kids don't ride their bicycles anywhere, and their feet never touch the ground. And yet the meals haven't gotten any smaller. In fact, they've become larger, as restaurants have discovered that by increasing the portion size they can increase the price in a manner disproportionate to the increase in cost, meaning more profit per serving in the name of 'value.'

All of this combines not just to make people bigger, but to make them *fatter*. What we see in the amusement parks is a combination of both: bigger, fatter people. Manufacturers need to do a better job of accommodating bigger people, which will temporarily help with the fatter people. Besides, going to an amusement park can be a lot healthier than a whole lot of other activities (or inactivities as is more often the case). What good is an amusement ride if the average person can't ride it?

Gee, I'm starting to sound like an old fart and I'm barely over 30! Has the world changed that much in so few years???

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Well, ang, while I cannot quote to you any stats about the fluctuation in breast size of American women over the years, I can point you to a couple of different sources (1, 2) that suggests weight loss, especially the rapid weight loss associated with dieting , *would* often result in a reduction in breast size. This is actually quite intuitive as the largest component of breast composition is fat.

BTW: I would like to present you with the same challenge. Show *me* evidence that the average breast size was smaller back then. Otherwise, you are merely conjecturing. I admitt, I do not know one way or the other.

Oh and Cyclone, I think that the Intamin system or "infinitely adjustable" restraints could be the source of the 'tightening' you felt. Since there are no established "click" positions, if you push the restraint down even a little bit, it will tend to stay right there. Even if you accidentally *bump* it down in say a high-G element, it will remain. On Volcano, it wouldn't suprise me if the restraint tightened during the launches. It doesn't take *that* much force to move the restraints and the launches can pin a body to the back of the seat (inertia). I think it could have a similar (though diminished) effect on the harness. So my guess would be the experience on an impulse would be similar.

I've ridden V:TBC and two impulse and did not notice the effect on either. But admittedly, I am really thin.

lata, jeremy

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I think, and some companies already do this, that there should be a few larger seats on all rides but people should control their wieght just to be healthy anyway.(fatsos!)

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