Why CP Isn't The Park of 2000-01-Editorial

BOOYA!

Ok this is really starting to bug me a lot. What the heck do you have against cp. Every time their is a topic about cp you down grade the park saying the rollercoasters are basically no good and try to start a flaming war. For one all the other parks you have said are great parks but are not built up any where near what cp is. THe award is not about the biggest or best expansion it is the best park. All of cp's rollercoasters were the first of their time and that is why they are so popular. When cp does something everyone else follows. They have great unigue rides and coasters, there park has a great layout, there employees are always friendly, the park is always clean, There are great shows, the entertainment is wonderful, and it is on a awesome looking pennisula. NOw I am not saying other parks dont have any of that but i am saying these are the reasons why cp got the park of the year award. They overall have a family park , which is spread out, and there is something always to do. So if you still feel like making yourself look like an arse and be hard to get a long with by starting flaming wars than go ahead. For one I am starting to think you opinions are very facist and not that thought out. IT also seems like people are starting to agree with me when I say this because it is true. It is alright to express you opinion but quit starting flaming wars.

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Koaster King said:
" CP is a quantity park and proves that fact over and over again. Any park that had that many attractions would be the greatest.

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And your point is?. Like I said before, get over it. If you do not like the park, DONT GO! Move on to another park that fit yours needs. It seems to me you want to be the advocate to persuade all of us not to go to CP, because it didnt live up to all the hype YOU let it become. There are some of us on here that may not like CP, but you do not see us making post disrespecting the park. Are you bitter CP didnt fit your needs? It seems so.

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Koaster King said:
"The day before, I went to CP and got to ride all the coasters(minus WE/JG)once and Power Tower. That was it and I was there all day. Lines were 3 hrs. for Mantis and MF, 1 1/2 hrs. for Maggie and Raptor, and everything else was 30-45 min. 4 coasters took 9 hrs. to get through! Definitely not best capacity even though the lines were moving at a reasonable speed."

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Of the parks I have been to, CP is my favorite, but I respect your opinion and everyone has their favorites. But I must take issue with your statement about capacity. May I ask which days you visited SFO/CP on? Because if it was say a Friday and then a Saturday, then there shouldn't even be a comparison. CP is a busy park and if I was paying for admission, I would definitely avoid the weekend. Having said that, I don't really think there is any doubt that CP has the best capacity of any park in the world. I've heard Disney is good and I personally think Hershey does a decent job with this. Some say that SFGAm does a good job with moving the lines, but quite frankly the capacity at all of the Six Flags parks that I've been to pretty much stinks. CP not only has high capacity rides (they stay away from gimmicks with low capacity like Boomerangs and shuttles), but they also have the most efficient crews. Part of this may be that thye attract better workers because of having housing for them and everything, but another important point is that they have more people working on each ride than other parks. CP usually has at least two people on each side of the train checking lap bars. Most other parks I've been to, there has been only one person checking the entire train. CP takes capacity so seriously that there was an intrapark race in 1999 between the Raptor crew and the Magnum crew. To sum up, this is the way I see it: If I am the 1000th person in line for Magnum or Raptor and the 1000th person in line for SROS at SFNE (or pretty much any coaster anywhere else), I can pretty much guarantee that I'd ride Magnum or Raptor substantially faster than SROS. If you catch CP on the wrong day, you can definitely find yourself waiting in some long lines, but at least they are long lines that are moving.

-Matt
2001 Magnum Crew

Koaster King said:
"The day before, I went to CP and got to ride all the coasters(minus WE/JG)once and Power Tower. That was it and I was there all day. Lines were 3 hrs. for Mantis and MF, 1 1/2 hrs. for Maggie and Raptor, and everything else was 30-45 min. 4 coasters took 9 hrs. to get through! Definitely not best capacity even though the lines were moving at a reasonable speed."

Four Coasters Took Nine Hours? What Day Did You Go, Saturday, October 14th ;)

mikey

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Koaster King said:
Almost all of the rides were working and I had a good day(only there 6 hours). The day before, I went to CP and got to ride all the coasters(minus WE/JG)once and Power Tower. That was it and I was there all day. Lines were 3 hrs. for Mantis and MF, 1 1/2 hrs. for Maggie and Raptor, and everything else was 30-45 min. 4 coasters took 9 hrs. to get through!

I too would also like to know what day you were at CP. I was there 3 different times last year, June, July and August and never waited over an hour for MF. Most of the other rides were 10 - 30 mintue waits. We were in the park 5 hours one day and rode all the coasters and some flats. I'd say you hit CP on the wrong day. Should they be penalized for having more visitors in their park than SFO? I don't think so. CP is a popular park = more people visit = longer lines. That doesn't mean they have bad capacity. You yourself even said the lines were moving.

If going to a park who has "almost all of the rides working" and are satisfied, then continue to visit that park. If you can't appreciate a park who has all their rides open, good food, a clean park, and great employees, because your expectation were so high, no park could have lived up, then just don't go there. Believe me, CP won't lose any sleep because you decided not to visit.

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Koaster King said:
"Definitely not best capacity even though the lines were moving at a reasonable speed. "

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While one could debate endlessly over the "best park", CP is by far the best in ride capacity. Period. Just because the line is longer has nothing to do with the capacity. It means there's more people in line. CP's dispatch times are far superior to every other park I've ever seen or heard of, especially any Six Flags.

With a life involving travel I have been fortunate enough to visit about 40 parks, and NO ONE has the capacity that CP does!
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- Peabody

I think we went to CP on the 3rd Saturday in August as well as the second Saturday of 2000 season.

I've only been to 4 SF parks so I really don't know exactly what everyone is talking about SF being really bad. SFKK was horrible, but I had plenty of fun at SFNE(first year), SFGAm, and SFO. Since two of them were in the first year of operation as a Six Flags parks, I didn't really pay much attention to small problems and I had lots of fun.

CP on the other hand, I'm telling you flat out that I had a lot of fun and I want to go back and I've been 3 times. My original post was just stating why they shouldn't win park of the year compared to SFO improvements(hoping everything would be worked out this year). I'm sure CP wasn't the best park in the World the first year it opened. And I never once disrespected the park without giving a good reason. Go ahead try to find one..

It's nice to see someone can say what a bad park something is, but when I say CP is not the best park(and definitely never said it was the worst/one of the worst) especially when it's my 5th favorite park. And I was satisfied. The disappointments were minimal and something I still look over. Has anyone else even been to BGW, WDW, IOA, or HW? Are those not great parks or am I all alone on this? I even put CP ahead of my home park, PKI(which I actually tie it with). What does CP have that those parks don't?

Alot of you are overanalyzing and exaggerating everything I'm saying. If I really want to start a flame war I would sat I hate CP! But again that's stupid and I don't hate CP. CP is a better park than many Six Flags, but again CP doesn't need to add any theming and put any thought into that whatsoever to just put a ride somewhere/anywhere. CP is the Best Amusement Park In The World. Oh, now I get it. All of those awards go to amusement parks(CP) not theme parks(BGW, IOA). No wonder it always wins. It's a easy winner. Thanks for helping out there guys.

And if you're going to reply. Actually say something meaningful. Not "You're stupid because you're not bowing to the almighty CP." Freedom of Speech is still allowed right?
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PKI-Wooden, Helix, and Kiddie Coaster Capital of the World!
The First and Only Gigabuzzer bigger than Millie, rising Faster than Maggie, and pulls more BS than MS ever will!!!
*** This post was edited by Koaster King on 4/22/2001. ***

Personally, I think the whole voting and things are stupid (no, ust in general, not in here, but I am saying "viewers choice awards" and stuff like that, in general)... for example, when SFDL opened in 1999, it didnt get much hype. Its at a small park, and not many people really know about it, or rode it, for that matter. Meanwhile, CP gets all the attendance because they are known around the world.

Now lets say a small park gets a, oh say, a 250 FT. coaster and it was a REALLY good ride, topping out MF, and if you actually *rode* it, you KNEW it was better... it would not win! Siply because I think most people have been to CP and not other parks, it totally makes voting unfair IMO.

...ok, enough of me complaining.

Alan Jacyszyn
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SFDLnet: The Ultimate Darien Lake Guide.
http://sfdl.coasterbuzz.com - opening soon!

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Koaster King said:
"I'm sure CP wasn't the best park in the World the first year it opened."

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It opened way back in 1870, making it the second oldest park in North America.

This is one reason why so many people know about Cedar Point. It opened 5 years after the Civil War ended! Word of mouth tends to spread, and which is another reason why people believe it's better than other parks.

You people can't just look at the 'rollercoasters'. Of course that's what everyone here thinks a good park is, but you got to remember the family aspects and basic components of a park. The awards for best park are not given for best new addition. KK keeps using MF as a reference to it. Well forget about it, because that is not what has won CP its awards!

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We are the keepers of the sacred words, Ni!, Peng!, and Nuuuuuwwwom!

Geez, it seems to me like too many folks have taken the CP comments personally. There was nothing at all in ANY of KK's posts that hint at a flame war or CP trashing. There's nothing wrong with stating an opinion, especially when it's backed up by something other than trash talk. So why can't we have a good discussion without the accusations? If you don't like the topic then don't post, but there's no need to jump in just to lob smack at KK's comments.

*** This post was edited by StandUpFan on 4/22/2001. ***

I never posted this to want a single person to agree with me. I just wanted to put out something and say how I felt about a certain subject. It wasn't to start a flame war especially and I hope everyone knows that. So, I will end this thread in saying CP is a great park, always has been, always will be. I just wanted to inform people that yes indeed there are other parks out there trying just as hard or harder to be the best experience possible. Long live CP and let's hope for more great parks and great coasters to come along. This is Koaster King signing out. Goodnight.

Everyone in Coasterville lived Happily Ever After.
The End :)

400th post and going strong.
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PKI-Wooden, Helix, and Kiddie Coaster Capital of the World!
The First and Only Gigabuzzer bigger than Millie, rising Faster than Maggie, and pulls more BS than MS ever will!!! *** This post was edited by Koaster King on 4/22/2001. ***

IF your critical of CP on the buzz, even with reasoning supporting your criticism, you must be looking for a flame war. We all know CP and everything associated with it is perfect in every way, and if you disagree your obviously a troll looking for trouble.

CP zealots are like the little boy from the twilight zone, if you don't think happy thoughts all the time they will wish you into the corn field.