Which Rides will be here in 10 years.

Sunday, January 6, 2002 4:00 AM
Which rides do you believe will with stand Six Flags ride share program, or the Cedar Fair Selling. Which Coaster Do you think will be here.
I personally Believe as long as nothing major or bad down times. X will be here with Revolution, and Monte's. Also SFWOA Big Dipper, and The Villian.

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Sunday, January 6, 2002 4:50 AM
Most wooden coasters will stay. They can't be sold or moved easily and people seem more attached to them, regardless of if they ride them. Like walkons for SFWoA's Big Dipper, full line for S:UE. I still think many would rather have Big Dipper (families anyway). They stand the test of time.
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 7:11 AM
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to ask which rides will go? It sure would be easier to list the ones that will become defunct than the ones operating. ;)

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Sunday, January 6, 2002 7:32 AM
My list of coasters that will go:
1. Unreliable prodotypes. If the Deja Vu sisters can't get ready in time, then they will either get a face lift, or will be dumped. Seriously, not even Six Flags will put up with a ride that keeps vallying so they will be modified, or leveled.
2. Summers-Dinn coasters. RWB, Mean Streak, Preditor. Has anyone else seen RWB shake? The supports and track on the turn over the boardwalk must go a few feet in either direction.
3. TOGOs. We saw the deminse of Windjammer. Now probably King Cobra, maybe Manhattan Express, probably Shickwave at PKD, Skyrider at PCW, Viper at SFGAdv, Ultratwister at SFAW.
4. Boomarangs. Go back in history when there were a ton of Scenic Railways. Every park had one. They eventually got so unoriginal and common that it didn't make sense to keep them after a while. This will happen to the boomarangs IMO.
5. The coasters in storage at Old Indiana will be piles of rust.
6. Probably the Arrow Launched loops: Sidewinder at Elitch, Thunderbolt Express, and Afterburner.
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 7:35 AM
Deja vu will be the next Windjammer... and quite possibly if X takes after it's cousin, Viper.. and get's rough.. X could cost six flags major cash.. and other thing... Arrow does have a good ride.. but that's right now.. the true test will be in 5yrs.. and I truly believe a lot of people are crossing their fingers.. if that ride goes south, a lot of people are going to lose jobs and hell will be risen... and that's a sad thing!
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 10:56 AM
I definitely think Deja Vu's won't withstand the test of time.

I think Iron Dragon at CP will be removed at some point.  Maybe the Mine Train at SFOG or other mine trains across the country will meet their ends... people don't know that they are built low for a reason and think they're lame (sigh).  I think maybe Viper at SFMM will remain but the other two megaloopers I can recall, Shockwave and GASM will be removed.  That's my take on it... yall?

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Sunday, January 6, 2002 11:18 AM
I think that the Deja Vu's will turn into Black Widows. Black widow at Riverside sat the whole '99 season closed and I think that in about 5 five years they will be SBNO.
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 11:50 AM
Yeah I'm not too high on the Deja Vu models either. They are fun rides, but are they worth the trouble they'll incur? Probably not. How ironic that Deja Vu may become the coaster to put the final nail in Vekoma's coffin. Maybe they should stick to kiddie coasters and work overseas.
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 11:53 AM
I don't think Deja Vu will go, why would it? Many coasters have vallied, rolled back etc. and they're still here. As for them not opening up on time, that's not a big issue. SF will definatley get the problems worked out for next season. Keep in mind, these are the first 3 GIB's, they're bound to have some sort of problem. That said, Deja Vu is a great ride, and I was honestly not expecting much more than a big boomerang, but Vekoma has a big winner here. I'd even be willing to say that GIB's will be the next mass cloned coaster.
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 12:07 PM
The problem with that is SF is still ticked at them about it.  When you promise, in a contract, to have a ride open by a certain date, and it ends up being months late (DV at SFOG opened about a month before the season ended) you get a big blotch on your reputation.  Funny how B+M prototypes worked very well compared to the DV's.

Another thing... DV's have too many moving parts.  This means lots of wear and tear and upkeep in the future.  Think I'm pulling your leg?  Check out Intamin 1st generation freefall's.  They are heavy on the maintainence side.

I'd rather have an impulse at SFOG than DV.

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Sunday, January 6, 2002 12:22 PM
They are fun, no doubt about that. I took my sister on it a couple weeks ago, and I can honestly say it was one of the most fun experiences of my life. The horror in her eyes as we were pulled up 90 degrees...well...to this day it I can't stop laughing when I see her. All the "will it last" and "it valleyed" topics go right out the window when you get to share a moment like that one. So many times people forget that *that* is what it's all about. 

Unfortunately, I can only give Vekoma partial credit for that. It's still a ride that has "trouble" written all over it.
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 12:29 PM
Yeah, it's a nice ride, but parks, especially SF parks, don't want to spend much on upkeep or have a lot of downtime, so I can't see them staying long.
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 12:42 PM
Yeah I agree, Six Flags doesn't want put a lot of money into a ride if it's going to be down a lot.. they need that money to protect themselves against injury lawsuits, and racial comments made by it's employees!!!!

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Sunday, January 6, 2002 12:56 PM
Keepers:

Hypers
B&M Sitdowns
B&M non-clone Inverteds
-- I could see a Batman or two getting razed
Racers/Duelers
CCIs
GCIs
Anything pre-1960 who's park doesn't close
Non-shuttle once-record holders, with the Arrow corkscrews being a possible exception

Not here:
Vekoma clones
Arrow clones, unless they become 'rare', at which point a couple would survive due to historical value
Failed concepts

Ambiguous:
Mice

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Sunday, January 6, 2002 1:25 PM
Why the hell would Six Flags pay over 20 million dollars for three rides only to remove them in 5 years?  srosatsfne, that makes absolutely no sense.  Black Widow was a poorly designed piece of **** that was probably a maintenance nightmare. Anyways, I don't if you people are idiots or just new to being ethusiasts because when a park adds a multi-million dollar ride, they expect it to last for many years and be a sound investment.  Windjammer didn't, and look at what happened to TOGO.  The ride was poorly designed and the manufacturer probably has to pay for it now.  Name a few multi-million dollar rides that have been removed.  You can't.
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 1:40 PM
Umm...  look at Vekoma now?
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 1:44 PM
Most any coaster is a multimillion dollar ride so I don't think that particular argument holds much water at all (Steel Phantom and the probably gone eventually Drachen Fire being the two most obvious examples) That's not even touching on the failed prototypes like the Bat which is the same kind of category that the DV triplets falls into...the rides may be fun (I haven't gotten on one yet) I think the thing SF is going to be thinking is exactly what everyone else has said, is this ride making us money? The Super Invertigos aren't *that much* bigger than the standard ones and the standards haven't had nearly as many problems....
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 1:46 PM
I think some of the the vekoma slc will be gone
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 1:52 PM
i personally think that not a lot of rides will be moved or sold.  if u look at places like kennywood and other old parks, they keep most of what everyone likes.  ofcourse everyone knows that kennywood couldnt totally take down the steel phantom, and the old pippin.
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 1:55 PM
I'll have to disagree on that one Colin. Invertigo at PGA was down half it's first year, and valleyed several times. It was also the first US model installed. The later versions at PKI and SFA seemed to have fewer problems. I do see your point though.
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