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sethman said:
Vertigo, Rock' n Roller coaster in orlando does not have a sea serpent inversion, it is just a regular cobra roll or as Vekoma calls it boomerang. There is a version of RNRC with a sea serpent manuever in I believe SF holland. Just wanted to clarify that fact.
also, Vekoma SLC have the heart beater inversion(thats Vekoma's name for the unique inversion), it is very different from the sea serpent manever. The heart-Beater is similar to a elongated vertical loop with a twist at the top, very different from a cobra roll or sea serpent.
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Want to make a bet on that?
When Rock n' Roller Coaster opened, Vekoma listed it as having a first of a kind element called the Vekoma Rollover which was listed as a collaberation of two reverse sidewinders. Also, look at this picture of El Condor and tell me that it is nothing like a sea serphent(you've probably only looked at the side view)
daniel74 said:
There's no picture of it not enclosed.
No picture of it not enclosed eh?
http://www.coasterforce.com/images/parisrock.jpg
BTW, That is the Rock n' Roller Coaster at Disneyland Paris.
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Ok fine, but still that a Sea Serpent, not a Cobra Roll like you said before. It's the same as the one in Orlando.
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You guys have to remember that the coaster companies have their own names for their elements. People always assume that RnRCs first element is the sea serpent when in fact Vekoma does NOT call that specific element a sea serpent. That name belongs to B&Mand that name debuted on Medusa West. The first Cobra Roll (also a B&M name) would be Kumba. Vekoma calls that element the butterfly. All companies have different names for their more complex elements. But most everyone calls the vertical loop a vertical loop and a corkscrew a corkscrew with a few exceptions.. Giovanola being one of them..they call their loops "loopings" and their corkscrews "spiral turns". Their Zero g roll is called a "revolution".
The moral of this story is.. dont call every cobra roll a cobra roll or every sea serpent a sea serpent. Any questions??? :)
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Vertigo said:
Are you kidding? Multple coasters have turned up with a version of the sea serphent:
...1992 - Ninja, Six Flags Over Georgia ...
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Last time I checked, Ninja didn't have a Sea Serpent. Not being rude BTW :)
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Chris Godsey said:
The first Cobra Roll (also a B&M name) would be Kumba. Vekoma calls that element the butterfly.
Vekoma calls the B&M Cobra Roll a Boomerang, a Butterfly is something different.
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RCmuzikGuY said:
Vertigo said:
Are you kidding? Multple coasters have turned up with a version of the sea serphent:
...1992 - Ninja, Six Flags Over Georgia ...
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Last time I checked, Ninja didn't have a Sea Serpent. Not being rude BTW
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Ninja has a butterfly element which is the same thing as the Sea Serpent. You guys are confusing the name with the element. The following elements are all the same:
Vekoma/Meisho Butterfly(Ninja, Kamakazi, & Gouderix)
Vekoma Rollover(both Rock n' Roller Coasters & Superman:The Ride)
B&M Sea Serpent(Medusa)
Vekoma Corba Roll(all SLCs)
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Daniel74, yes i have been on RNRC about 30 spins or so, just made a mistake about it, from the photo I have of it looks like a boomerand/cobra roll but i know it isn't.
anyways, this conversations degenerating into a buch of bickering over slightly meaningless terms for similar inversions. I'd rather hear about what people think about the sea serpent or other inversions? I believe the sea serpent on Medusa looks rather wicked but whats other people's opinion on that?
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It is similar to butterfly/batwing/sea serpant, but definitely not a cobra roll.
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I'm not sure, but wouldn't that be a sort of Dive Loop followed by a loop?
-Daniel
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A rose by any other name is still a rose, guys.
The first cobra roll was on the first Vekoma boomerang. I realize that there are different names for the same element but just because "Cobra Roll" is a B&M term....who cares? That doesn't make Kumba's the first, it just makes it the first with that label. Its the same frigging thing.
Lastly, the first 2 inversions on standard SLC's has never had a true name across the baord that most everyone tends to use. Most of the time...we just don't call it anything and leave it at that. Playing semantics doesn't get us anywhere, considering that if you say "batwing" it could mean about 3 different things, but if you refer to "Montu's batwing" then most people are going to know what you are talking about.
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daniel: you're looking at it backwards. its a loop and then the same element that is the third inversion on the SLCs.
I think that this is the Ninja that was being talked about earlier. from that view, it does look like a sea surpent, but look at this. I don't know how anyone could possible confuse that for Medusa's sea surpent. the first two elements on the SLCs and the similar element that is on Ninja look nothing like B&M's version of the sea surpent. they are way too close and, I'm sure, feel much different. now the elements that are on RnRC and S:TR I would consider like B&M's sea surpent, but the others are too narrow.
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