What features would you want on Holiday Worlds new coaster?

Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:07 AM
Now that we know when it is getting announced (july 13), so what features do you want on this new gravity group wooden coaster.

Here are a few things I would like to see.

A large series of big drops similar to shivering timbers, this could be the start of the ride and give it a different feel then the terrain twisters of raven and legend. I would still like to see a tunnel on the first drop. that is always good, and Beast, Raven, and Legend all have one and people like those rides.

I think after the large drops, I would like the ride to become more of a terrain twister. I think the next portion should be more in the vain of some other CCI/gravity group rides like Megaphobia, Tremors, etc. I would like to see a curving drop, a turn over a lake if possible, and perhaps some head choppers throught the structure.

Finally I want the last part to be more of a terrain type coaster if possible. just let it pick up more speed as it follows the natural terrain, flying past trees and not letting up. A drop down a ravine would be nice. A tunnel or two is always good. Finally I want it to end in a double helix, similar to Legend, Shivering Timbers, or Boss. After the helix, one more bunny hill for good measure, and hit the brakes with some decent speed.

Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:18 AM
Smoothness, speed, air, and sudden drops. :-P Anything else I could care less. :-)


Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:33 AM
Sounds like you want this coaster to be 200 Ft. tall.


- Josh

Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:09 AM
Has Holiday World confirmed that they are adding a coaster and will it be a TGG? I would like a midsized out and back loaded with airtime. One similiar to Timber Terror which I think is better then Shivering Timbers. I agree with Coasterqueen. For Holiday World less always means more in the long run as far as end results go.


Saturday, June 25, 2005 1:26 PM
HW has confirmed that they are adding to HW and to SS, and that there's a new themed area, and that they're announcing on July 13.

The rest of that other thread is simply 37+ pages of *idle speculation*...:)

Think Paula enjoys her job? ;)

bill, agrees with Waterboy that TT > ST...and that HW could use a "simple out-n-back". Designed by TGG (the only thing I'm really willing to wager on, LOL), and maintained by Hammersly and crew, *sudden drops* and AIRTIME in abundance would be virtually insane...:)

*** Edited 6/25/2005 5:30:07 PM UTC by rollergator***

Saturday, June 25, 2005 5:18 PM
Perhaps Paula could answer this, but I believe in the design's for the raven and legend they received imput from enthusiasts. To my knowledge they did not for this new ride. I was wondering why they decided not do that, considering how highly successful raven and legend are.

Back to what I want. I also want a cool station and a nice setting to go with the ride. Some theming would not hurt, especially considering it is part of a new holiday section. I still think Thanksgiving is the holiday for a new section. The others would be difficult to base amusement rides after.

I am not sure if a bigger or smaller train is better for this new wooden coaster. For capacitites reasons, and a better back seat ride, a bigger train would be better. However a smaller train seems to maintain speed better and navigate turns better. Either way, as long as the design is good, the ride will be a success. *** Edited 6/25/2005 9:18:55 PM UTC by Beast Fan***

Saturday, June 25, 2005 5:20 PM
How about a 160 ft tall, 7600 ft long, out and back terrain GG wood coaster through the woods? That's all I'd need to hear to get me through next winter. :)


Saturday, June 25, 2005 5:22 PM
length is something i would like to see in their new coaster, a lot of airtime of course. Perhaps some hevauly banked turns(90 degress would be nice) an out and back stlye coaster could be nice also
Saturday, June 25, 2005 5:34 PM
Marko for a 160 ft tall woodie about 5600-6000 ft of track would be about right. If you want 7600 feet you will need at least 220 feet to have enough energy otherwise you would have way to many weak or forceless hills like that hill over Zeus on Hade (still Hades is #2 on my list, Avalanche is #1). But I really want about 35 total seconds of Avalanche quality airtime and a taller steeper drop than on Hades! Make EVERY hill work in almost every seat if possible (like on Avalanche) and you have all of the required ingredients for a #1 ride!! *** Edited 6/25/2005 9:37:08 PM UTC by Pink Floyd Fanatic***
Saturday, June 25, 2005 6:29 PM
OK, I'll bite...
--lots of tall, steep drops like Timbers!
--A ground-hugging, fast, winding-through-the-woods section like on The Beast or Raven's S-curve
--Double dips!!!
-Make every hill/drop count = AIRTIME!
-STEEP drops!!!
Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:02 PM
I've said at least 5 times in that other 37 page thread that I could be 100% wrong but Im almost 99.8% sure it's gonna be a wooden coaster.

If you ask me why they haven't asked for opinions or suggestions, It's probably because they still have a thousand of them from Legends suggestion box. Including ones from the net like my Timbers first half and zig zaging with air hops return.

What I seen and what I believe it will be is a L shaped out and back starting away from the park and then turning left to parallel the new access road.

Chuck, who could still be entirely wrong.

Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:24 PM
But I really hope you are right! AV seems to really be thinking along my line of thinking! :-)
Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:32 PM
Hey, any new wood at HW HAS to be good wood. And with TGG's massive experience (in CCI, that is) and amazing products (HAdes), whatever the new coaster is, they can't go wrong.
Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:39 PM
Chuck if you are right in your guess where would the station go and how big (height, length & steepeness) would you guess it would be? Would they be willing to top Hades?
Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:46 PM
Chuck is right; Holiday World doesn't need to solicit input for their new coaster, they get more of that just by reading message boards like CoasterBuzz than they can possibly use!

Someone mentioned Shivering Timbers...You know, I have to wonder why nobody else has ever built a coaster like that. I mean, if Kings Island had built Son of Racer instead of Son of Beast, they might have had a decent coaster. But I have to think there is a reason. Would Holiday World ever go for a coaster with that much straight track on it? I mean, they've done so well already with terrain twisters...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:47 AM
Well, maybe they feel it's time to switch things up a bit. They have arguably two of the best terrain twister so why not try and build an airtime monster...hopefully with a ridiculously awesome finish of course. :)

*** Edited 6/26/2005 5:48:32 AM UTC by CPgenius***

Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:01 AM
Yes, coasters need more Tall, Steep Hills like Shivering Timbers!
How about an out & back design but have turns at the bottom of some of the tall, steep hills, kind of like Ghostrider's first drop or two of the Superman ROS's.. So it would be like Timbers' out-run except at the bottom of each/every other drop, there would be a 90 degree banked turn before going up the next tall, steep hill. Then you'd still get your airtime going up and down each of those tall, steep hills, complete with a slam into your seat at the bottom as you come back to Earth before hitting a sharp turn. Whee!!!
Tall, Steep Hills! Tall Steep Hills! Tall Steep Hills! :)
Sunday, June 26, 2005 5:21 AM
Like Shivering Timbers? I pray to god not!
Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:31 AM
Agreed. There is only ONE Timbers (besides my cat) and that is enough. :-)


Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:40 AM
Man Moosh, You must be having a bad day.

Honestly Timbers was a OK coaster and proabably mid pack on my list durring normal rides. At Timbersfest this thing ate SFNE's S:ROS for lunch in the airtime department. No less than 16 airtime moments, Some lasting from the middle of the upside to the bottom of the hill.

Even durring the day at Timbersfest 2002 (Which was my brothers first visit,) He said the same as I. It's ok but im anticpointed. By 10pm it was his #1 as well as mine. (EASILY)

Tell you the truth, I think Boulderdash is the biggest overrated coaster I've ridden but I obviously didn't catch it at its' best now did I.

Even running bad, HW's coasters run better than MIA's do in normal operation so that gives me hope.

Chuck, who like others have said, If it's a wood coaster at HW, It's gonna be decent.


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