What do you want to see at Dorney next?

Sunday, June 22, 2003 6:40 PM
As much as we all would love to see a new coaster, from the management's perspective would that be the most lucrative move towards gaining more revenue and guests? We all know how busy the coasters they already have including Talon are in the middle of the summer, yet they can have record years the last two years. Given I understand Talon was the first year of the two record years, still it doesn't seem like they'd be desperate to add another one, although I certainly would be glad if they did. I wonder also if the regional competition like SFGadv and Hershey park perhaps adding a new coaster as rumored play a factor, also. I just kind of figure in my estimation though weather is the largest factor in how well of a season they have. When it is hot and sunny out everyone in the local area goes to Dorney Park.
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Sunday, June 22, 2003 7:08 PM
Speaking of weather around the area of Great Adventure and Dorney Park its rained at least once the past 14 weeks in a row. So I don't know how good business is doing.
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Sunday, June 22, 2003 7:10 PM
I would like to see a B&M stand up coaster or a B&M looping sit down. I don't really wanna see a rocket coaster cuz their all one trick coasters. plus their too short.

As far as flats I really wanna see a Mondial "Top Scan"

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Sunday, June 22, 2003 7:43 PM

NITROman said:
Speaking of weather around the area of Great Adventure and Dorney Park its rained at least once the past 14 weeks in a row. So I don't know how good business is doing.

U said once the past 14 weeks in a row! It's rained like almost every 4 times a week. Up here in NYC, feels like the ending of fall.

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Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:12 PM
well here is a list of things id like them to do....

1. Remove Trims on the first drop of Hercules

2. add a Chance Revoloution

3. any B&M besides Inverted for obvious reasons

4. Remove Thunderhawk [yes, I know it is 80 Years Old, but the ride is so boring now, that space could be used better]

5. add an Impulse over by Laser

6. B&M Floorless in Thunderhawk's spot

7. Intamin Rocket by Hercules

8. Master Blaster in water park

9. S&S Sky Swatter by Talon

10. put a Skycoaster near Thunder Creek Speedway

of course this wont be all next year, but I think it would help the park out a lot.

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Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:47 PM
Some points:

1. Good to see I'm the only one who doesn't necessarily think a coaster is coming nest season. I think 2005 at the soonest. Maybe I'm not crazy :)

2. Speaking of weather and attendance - it HAS to be way down. I was the this past Saturday from 8pm to close. Steel Force & Talon were running with 4 to 8 riders per train - it was sick. The first and last rows were being filled and that was it. I got on Talon and it was like having a personal attendant. Two kids were in line for the front and I went to the back (the best row on Talon) and the ride-op was aking me which seat I wanted and undoing the belt and hooking me in. Very weird. It has rained every weekend in Allentown since opening weekend and in 8 visits this year I've not had more than a one train wait for any coaster other than the mouse. Got a ton of solo rides in this year too. The park has been eerily empty - it can't be good.

3. I do believe I once read that the park is 200 acres. Somehow it seems smaller than that. I imagine that includes the waterpark.

4. I've seen a few people refer to the Dorney atmosphere a "count fair-ish" it's always from people who haven't visited for a few years. Make a return trip. A more accurate description of the current Dorney is "mini-Cedar Point". My first season at Dorney was just last year, but from what I understand a ton has been done in just the past couple of seasons.

5. I don't think I've ever before seen someone who disliked Thunderhawk. Especially enough to want it removed. It's a really great underrated woodie. If you removed the trims on the bunny hills at the end, you'd have one of the best old small-ish woodies around. Sit in the front - you'll get huge pops of air at the top of every hill. It's one of my favorite wooden coasters.

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Sunday, June 22, 2003 10:27 PM
I've been to Dorney the last two years and still feel it's just shy of a treeless hellhole. Everywhere I look is concrete and no trees. That may be Cedar Fair-ish, but that doesn't make it nice. Just take a look: http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery239.htm?Picture=3
Where are the trees??? The front half of the park is even worse: http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery735.htm?Picture=4

I love Talon and Laser, but I hate Dorney. Spend your money at SFGAdv.

-Nate

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Sunday, June 22, 2003 11:26 PM
Wow, you have a thing for trees, huh? :)

While not as wooded as many parks, they have planted trees and many are growing in nicely. I know there always seems to be one in my way when I'm trying to take pics. Those pics you linked to are a couple years old and they appear to have been taken during the off season when trees aren't exactly full. In fact in the back half photo there's a whole grown in area in front of Laser that now blocks your view of the ride as you head down that back midway that is totally bare in that photo. A lot can change in a few years.

My retort would be to ask where would you stick them. Look at those pics. There are already trees planted (they're small in the pics) just about everywhere you can reasonably put them.

I think the last line of your post reveals the intentions :)

On the contrary I feel almost exactly the opposite about the two parks - except I've yet to visit a park and *hate* it. I guess that's exactly what makes the world go round so to speak.

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*** This post was edited by Lord Gonchar 6/23/2003 3:30:38 AM ***

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Monday, June 23, 2003 12:24 AM
I don't think I've ever before seen someone who disliked Thunderhawk. Especially enough to want it removed. It's a really great underrated woodie. If you removed the trims on the bunny hills at the end, you'd have one of the best old small-ish woodies around. Sit in the front - you'll get huge pops of air at the top of every hill. It's one of my favorite wooden coasters.

I used to love it, there was ejector air at the top of every hill, but when i rode it May 10, that ejector air was long gone, and the bunny hop trims are IMO unnecessary. but if they do remove those trims Thunderhawk will be back to how it should be.

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Monday, June 23, 2003 5:54 AM
Lots of good posts and ideas here. Not that I'm an expert, but based on the past CF trends when their parks, it would seem likely that the next coaster DP gets would come from Intamin. If so, I'm more in favor of an impulse than a rocket.

Either one would be a good addition to the park, since there aren't any impulses or rocket coasters on the east coast. The idea of DP building a floorless or flying coaster to compete with SFGAdv is insane. They better off building something UNIQUE than trying to build something "similar and hopefully better".

And considering the limited space at DP, an impulse just seems to be the perfect option.

Now.... will it be in 2004 or 2005? Not sure. Lord G. brings up some good points. While having something new for 2004 would be excellent, there is some credence to the idea of waiting until 2005.

Time will tell....

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Monday, June 23, 2003 7:20 AM
Well I think that DP will have to wait until 2005. The reason I say this, is the fact that I think it will be KBF's and WOF's year for a large cap. WOF has already been visited by Dick Kinzel (who doesn't normally visit until July) and Robert Decker (VP or Planning and Design). Also those two were seen with Phil Bender (WOF GM) walking about the park with large blue print sheets. I guess my question is, has Mr. Decker been to DP this season? If the answer is no, don't expect a large ride next season. He normally visists the parks that will get the "big" rides early in the season, and doesn't visit the ones that won't, unless he is doing a follow-up (such as in the case with his visit to VF).
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Monday, June 23, 2003 8:50 AM

TalonJosh1491 said:
well here is a list of things id like them to do....

4. Remove Thunderhawk [yes, I know it is 80 Years Old, but the ride is so boring now, that space could be used better]

Bite your tongue! Bite it real hard while your at it too.

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Monday, June 23, 2003 10:48 AM
Remove Thunerhawk? What is wrong with you? Seriously.

I join the group of people who doubt that Dorney will add a new coaster next year... I am placing my bets on 2005, especially with Hershey adding a new coaster next year. Also, if Hershey's new coaster turns out to be an Intamin Rocket (its looking likely), then I doubt that Dorney will add one as well. I would say an Impulse if its from Intamin- it takes up very little space, and would be unique to the area. I'd also love another wooden coaster, either to replace Hercules of accompany the existing two, but that wouldn't add too much diversity in the eyes of the public. If that is what they want, a small Georgia Scorcher-sized B&M standing coaster would be a good idea.

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Monday, June 23, 2003 10:51 AM
Okay... now maybe I am a bit slow and behind the times... but I hear a few people claiming a coaster addition to Hersheypark next year. Where does this info come from? Aside from rumors, I have not heard anything about this.

Also, an Intamin Rocket was mentioned... again, I may be slow... but what exactly is an Intamin Rocket (what examples are out there)?

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Monday, June 23, 2003 11:00 AM
some examples of rockets are Xcelerator at Knott's Berry Farm and Top Thrill Dragster at Cedar Point.

I am also joining the group who want Hercules gone. i would love to get a chance to ride it completely trimless, as the ride would own, but that isnt gonna happen, so get rid of it, add an S&S or Gravity Group woodie in its spot, keep the drop and the turn, minus trims [kinda like SP-PR], but add more exciting elements after that...

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Monday, June 23, 2003 11:06 AM
Gotcha... just did a search and found examples of Rockets. I have to admit that, while TTD may be the tallest, pictures of Xelerator look more interesting.

Still would like to know where the rumors of a new Hershey coaster are coming from.

As for Hercules. Not as terrible as everyone says in my opinion. I am certainly no engineer, but I think the only part of Hercules that should be replaced / reprofiled is the turn over the lake. Sure, it is a great concept... but with a drop of that height and with the speed it hits the turn, I think a good raised banked turn would work much better... would not strain as much in that turn. I'm thinking of something like the first turn(s) on Hershey's Lightning Racer. Speaking of which... if they want to re-work Hercules, or even replace it... I say let GCI have a shot at it.

Okay... checking that Hershey saga now.

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*** This post was edited by SLFAKE 6/23/2003 3:07:54 PM ***

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Monday, June 23, 2003 11:31 AM
Don't EVER remove ThunderHawk....just all the trims that defeat the purpose of the second half of the ride...

As far as that *other* wooden coaster....well, at least Hostyl likes it as is...;)

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Monday, June 23, 2003 12:40 PM
rollergator said:As far as that *other* wooden coaster....well, at least Hostyl likes it as is...;)

Me too!

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Monday, June 23, 2003 12:57 PM
SLFAKE said:As for Hercules. Not as terrible as everyone says in my opinion. I am certainly no engineer, but I think the only part of Hercules that should be replaced / reprofiled is the turn over the lake. Sure, it is a great concept... but with a drop of that height and with the speed it hits the turn, I think a good raised banked turn would work much better... would not strain as much in that turn

If that were to happen, which I believe is the right engineering answer to the question, the train would NEVER make it up that second hill. I think thats why Summers designed that turn (non-elevated) the way he did.

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Monday, June 23, 2003 2:21 PM

coasterdude318 said:
Just take a look: http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery239.htm?Picture=3
Where are the trees??? The front half of the park is even worse: http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery735.htm?Picture=4



Those pictures look to be late winter - early spring 2001, because the landscaping surrounding Talon is unfinished, and it was before the swamp-like area between Steel Force and Laser was filled in. The tree-life in the park has matured alot since then. In adadditiono the Thunderhawk path, the area from Hercules through Camp Snoopy is also rather shady.

Hercules needs to stay around until there is a real space problem, which doesn't exist now. Even without the new land purchase, there's plenty of places for a creative mind to place a nice coaster. Although I think this is the least likely possibility, there was once a rumor of a B&M flyer buzzing around Thunder Canyon. That would give people a reason to go back there.

I still think if they do get a coaster for 2004, it will be from Intamin, and most likely an impulse. I know that 120 is a big year, so I don't think they will pass up the marketing opportunity it will give them. Of course if they do get a coaster this year, would it be the last we see until their 125th ananniversary------------------
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