What coaster revolutionized the coaster industry?

Monday, February 18, 2002 10:15 AM
Sorry, pezmanguy3, but Gemini and Cedar Creek Mine ride at Cedar Point are not wooden coasters but steel coasters supported by a wood structure.  Most mine trains utilize a wood structure to support a stell track (Adventure Express @ PKI and Gold Rusher @ PC to name a few others)
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Monday, February 18, 2002 10:17 AM
1. Matterhorn - brought tubular steel into the coaster equation.  This has to be the single most revolutionary step in the formally wood dominated business.


     There were other steel rides: wild mice, kiddie coasters, and wooden coasters like the Coney Island Cyclone that relied on steel infrastructure - but the innovation that allowed all the modern steel coasters we've got today came out of Arrow Dynamics with the tubular steel track on the Matterhorn and the Runaway Mine Train.


2. Corkscrew and Revolution - brought inversions back into the spotlight after over fifty years of common perception that the public didn't want to go upside down.   

     There were successful looping wooden coasters in the early 20th century, some even operated safely for a few years; but the public wasn't ready to pay to ride and maintenance issues caused the whole concept to get scrapped for half a century.  Again, thank Arrow and also Schwarzkopf for showing us the way. 


     I'd probably give Magnum a runner up.  There were other rides before Magnum getting progressively taller and taller, but this one really grabbed the industry's imagination and spawned a bevy of similiar tall, non-looping rides.


     I would argue that the Racer, while extremely influential, was not revolutionary at all.  In fact it was defiantly retro by suggesting the old variety of wooden coasters still had a place in modern amusement parks.  Important, but it didn't change anyone's perception of what a rollercoaster is.


     I'm sorry, but people suggesting rides like Kumba and Iron Wolf seem to lack perspective.  B&M's emergance onto the scene was certainly a very significant development, but not revolutionary.
 

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Monday, February 18, 2002 10:20 AM

pezmanguy3 said:
Gemini- Tallest Woodie (When opened)
Blue Streak- Tallest Woodie (When Opened)
Cedar Creek Mine Ride- Tallest Woodie (When opened)
 
 
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OK This is my Pet Peeve the Mine Ride and Gemeni are NOT WOODIES!!!!!!  They are steel coasters with wood supports.  And Gemeni was teh tallest STEEL coaster when it was built.  Also Blue Streak was not the tallest woodie when it was built either.

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Monday, February 18, 2002 10:21 AM
pezmanguy3, I am a big a CP fan as anyone, but most of those rides you listed could hardly be considered revolutionary.  They are all proven designs and improvements on existing rides.  Heck, even Magnum is just an overgrown mine train.  Truely revolutionary rides do something that has never been attempted, not just a minor variation or improvement on an existing idea.

My votes go for Matterhorn, Corkscrew KBF, King Kobra PKD (First launched coaster), and whatever Allen first had upstops.

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Monday, February 18, 2002 11:47 AM
Not to nitpick, but....

in response to Pezmanguy3's list...


CP Blue streak the highest wooden... In 1964, the following coasters (to name a few) were operating... Cyclone (Coney Island, NYC) 80+ feet, Thunderbolt (Coney Island, NYC) 80+ feet, Thunderhawk (then known as Coaster, Dorney Park), 78' feet (but with shorter drop than Blue Streak), Rocket (Playland, Texas, now Phoenix at Knoebels) has a 78' height and a 72' drop (equal to Blue Streak on both counts) (all from RCDB). 

Cedar Creek Mine Ride and Gemini... Actually steel coasters, not wood (have wood structure,but are steel based on track type).


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Monday, February 18, 2002 12:11 PM
I think it would be revolution at SFMM!
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Monday, February 18, 2002 5:00 PM
Actually Blue Streak was the tallest coaster....in Ohio in 1964 That's right...Oooooh Aaaaaaah! ;)

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Monday, February 18, 2002 7:16 PM
1)Matterhorn

2)Corkscrew

3)Revolution

4)Batman:The Ride

5)Magnum:XL

6)Superman:The Escape

7)X

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Monday, February 18, 2002 7:27 PM
I would have to say that Schwarzkopf's shuttle loop helped revolutionize the coaster industry. The flywheel launch and drop wieght launch I believe, is particially responsible for LIM launches that we see today. As far as I'm concerned any new feature on a coaster will revolutionize the industry.
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Monday, February 18, 2002 7:50 PM

pezmanguy3 said:
Every single thrill ride at Cedar Point. Of their 20 or so thrill rides 90% of them were either new, the tallest or fastest of their kind.
Magnum- First 200 ft.
MF- First 300 Ft.
Gemini- Tallest Woodie (When opened)
Blue Streak- Tallest Woodie (When Opened)
Cedar Creek Mine Ride- Tallest Woodie (When opened)
Meanstreak- Tallest, Fastest (When Opened)
White Water Landing- ( Tallest water when opened)
Snake River- Tallest water when opened
Corkscrew- First three looping coaster
Wicked Twister- First double twist, fastest impulse
Raptor- tallest inverted when opened
Mantis- Tallest stand up when opened
Iron Dragon- Tallest suspened when opened
Power Tower- Tallest S&S Tower


• White Water Landing was never the tallest, fastest, or longest water ride, not even the tallest, fastest, longest rapids ride.

• Iron Dragon was never the tallest suspended. In fact, it opened with no world records in any category for a suspended at all

• Gemini is not a wood coaster. It shared the height record in 1978 with SFMM's Colossus

• Cedar Creek Mine Ride is not a wood coaster and did break or hold any records

• Same for Blue Streak. It never broke or held any records

• Power Tower has long been surpassed in height for an S&S tower. Cedar Point's sister park Knott's Berry Farm literally stole the record when they opened Supreme Scream just two months after Power Tower debuted
- What made you think all of the rides I listed above held any records or achievements of any kind?


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Monday, February 18, 2002 8:10 PM
I have to think that Matterhorn is a truly revolutionary ride.  Without tubular steel rails, coasters would not have come nearly as far as they have today.

Plus its still a cool ride...   However, Matterhorn when it opened and Matterhorn now were not very much alike.  Does anyone know if the track and layout changed in 1978(?)  when it was redone? 

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Tuesday, February 19, 2002 9:34 AM
Flight of Fear at PKI--the first to use Linear Induction Motor launch (electro-magnetic propulsion) Due to its tendency toward bruisingly brutal rides, I don't think this technology has been fully exploited yet for use in coasters. This technology was so new and innovative that the Navy sent a team to PKI to investigate the technology for possible launch use on aircraft carriers. Likewise, the Thrustair 2000 (prototype) (later bought and moved to PKD), the first to use a compressed air launching system.

I think it is amazing to have coasters that are powered without a lift hill or an initial drop hill, yet going 0 to 60+mph in a few seconds.

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Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:17 AM

I would also have to say the two Flight of Fears because it brought on the age of LIM/LSM, also without it I wouldn't have a job right now.

JillW said:
Flight of Fear at PKI--the first to use Linear Induction Motor launch (electro-magnetic propulsion) Due to its tendency toward bruisingly brutal rides, I don't think this technology has been fully exploited yet for use in coasters.
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What are you talking about neither Flight of Fear is brutal, have you been their within the past year?  Also didn't the Flight of Fear at PKD open a week earlier?
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Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:03 PM
Well I could go ahead and re-list what people have allready typed, but Im gonna say something that nobody else has. 

the Steel Phantom.  Why?  Well, for one thing, it was the first coaster to go 80+mph. 225 foot Drop.  I believe the fastest coaster before it was Magnum at 72mph.  And also because, the Steel Phantom was built 2 years after the Magnum, and It showed that the Magnums records can not only be beat, they can be shattered.  It jumped into the Coaster World at a small park nobody had ever heard of.  It also used the natural Terrian in ways never done before.  Unless you call consider launched coasters to really be coasters, it took I believe over 6 years to beat the Phantoms Speed record.  Anyone agree?

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Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:07 PM
Hmm...seems to me like everyone is saying that either their personal favorite coaster/a coaster at their home park is "revolutionary."  big surprise...
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Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:23 PM
If memory serves, I think SP is *still* the only steel coaster with a 200'+ drop AND inversions...of course, with THOS inversions (ouch) that's hardly a real surprise...
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Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:01 PM
Rollergator, I know that you said steel, but lets not forget that Son of Beast (wood) is 218 feet tall with a vertical loop (118 feet tall).
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Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8:41 PM
I have to argree with Shaggy on this one, and say Racer at PKI. This coaster wasn't just responsible for a boom in wood construction...the Racer was responsible for rekindling the coaster "arms race" that we enjoy to this day.

When the Racer was first opened, it was a national story. The coaster was even featured on a few TV shows. The PKI Racer ushered in the parks' need to "one up" each other. This competition gave us all of the innovation and technology that our favorite industry enjoys today.

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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:49 AM
NO doubt that The Racer deserves "props" of EPIC proportions, I have NO argument there, and think to argue against it would be "Ludacris"...however, the concept of "revolutionary" IMO means that it changed the way things were done, or advanced the level of technology in use. 
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:55 AM
:advanced the level of technology in use


In which case, the biggest advances are: up-stop wheels, steel, inversions, and launching.  Everything else is just a refinement.

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