Whale dies at SeaWorld texas

Posted Monday, April 15, 2002 4:51 AM | Contributed by rampagelover

An orca whale named Winnie at SeaWorld San Antonio died Thursday. The cause is still unknown. Winnie was SeaWorld San Antonio's seventh orca to die and the second one within the past year.

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Monday, April 15, 2002 6:56 AM

I'm going to go ahead and blame this on the entire Six Flags Corporation. If they had given the go-ahead to run both sides of Rolling Thunder at Six Flags Great Adventure when I was there, this wouldn't have happened.

Damn Six Flags... :P

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Monday, April 15, 2002 7:20 AM
Whales shouldn't be locked up in tanks to amuse us......PERIOD.
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Monday, April 15, 2002 7:23 AM
Yea they should.

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Monday, April 15, 2002 7:47 AM
What would be amusing would be seeing a whale in it's natural habitat, doing natural things. Why do you think people pay money to go on those boat rides in Alaska to see whales in the water? There is something to be said for seeing something as nature intended, not in a concrete tank in a Sea World park.

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Monday, April 15, 2002 8:20 AM
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the thrill: You entirely miss the point of having the animals in captivity by a responsible park operator. First off, given the orca's age, it may have just been its time according to the research they mentioned.

Second, there has since been a ban by most countries on capturing these animals in the wild. Remaining whales can't be left to the ocean because they can't survive. Ditto for those that were born in captivity.

Third, the captivity of many animals is our duty, seeing as how it's often the careless acts of humans that kill off a species, not natural selection.

Fourth, the study of any animal helps us better understand the world we live in, how it got to be like this, and perhaps better understand the bigger picture "circle of life" that we're a part of.

Fifth, Busch probably does more for conservation causes than any other company in the country. Check out what they're involved with. If you think that the animals at Sea World are there simply for your "amusement," you don't have enough information to make an informed opinion.

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Monday, April 15, 2002 12:11 PM
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Jeff, all good arguments, and I am aware of the realities we face....however, the thrill has a very valid point, and if we had respected other species' "right to life" a couple hundred years ago, we wouldn't now need to keep the last remaining individuals of various species in captivity in order to keep the line going. The FL panther is so near extinction that it's being bred with a "similar" large cat from TX just to keep some subpopulation of the species alive....

Really, if you're not a human, or an animal humans like to eat, your time on this planet is limited....sad reality...:(. I am aware that Busch works mainly with captive-bred animals or those unable to survive in the wild, and I applaud them for their effort. But it would be naive to think that wild habitats will be left for our future generations and the future generations of the "critters"....

Mutual respect, between AND among the species!

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Monday, April 15, 2002 12:20 PM
how far apart did the other 6 whales die. If it was like 15 or so years inbetween each whale, i dont think that would be all that bad being that whales dont live as long as humans. Although i still dont like to see whales or dolphins it those concrete tanks. Especially at SFWOA, to think that 4 whales where in that tank where the dolphins are is just mind boggling.
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Monday, April 15, 2002 12:30 PM
I do though agree with the efforts of Sea World when they nurse certin species back to health in thier animal health facilities. Its a good thing because they wet them free.
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Monday, April 15, 2002 12:49 PM
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Hey, I can't control what happened a hundred years ago, I'm just pissed that my generation has to deal with the mess previous generations left. I refuse to allow people now to continue doing it, and we must preserve what is left. If that means keeping our whales and other animals, so be it.

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Monday, April 15, 2002 12:53 PM
phantoms_revenge_rules said:

"Especially at SFWOA, to think that 4 whales where in that tank where the dolphins are is just mind boggling."

First of all there were only two whales there when it was Sea World Ohio (which you should refer to the park if it was during that time as SWO...NOT SFWoA.)

Second of all they had plenty of room and did just fine for many, many years.

Third...we should blame it all on Six Flags...I'm sure they told Busch how big to build the tanks back when they were constructed. Damn Six Flags to hell!

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Monday, April 15, 2002 1:57 PM
Animals die. It is a fact. They die in the wild and they die in captivity. Another fact is that Anheuser-Busch is world famous for it's animal care programs as well as it's educational programs and, yes, entertainment.
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Monday, April 15, 2002 5:18 PM

Fourth, the study of any animal helps us better understand the world we live in, how it got to be like this, and perhaps better understand the bigger picture "circle of life" that we're a part of.


i say we raid jeffs house in the middle of the night, drug him to sleep, take him to a zoo, lock him up and do experiments on him, then see the way he feels.

we are living just fine, i dont see any problem with the way we are living now or how studying animals will make our way of life any better in any way shape or form. and why do we NEED to know how we got here, it just corrupts nature in the end, it aint gonna kill us to not know EVERYTHING...

if people are dying of something that a certain animal can cure, its their problem not the animal's, just accept the fact that your gonna die, and dont torture a perfectly innocent animal to overpopulate the world more then it is and try to change whats meant to happen... *** This post was edited by MonkeyMaster on 4/15/2002. ***

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Monday, April 15, 2002 5:40 PM

Monkey,

I assume, by your post, that you are vegetarian, vegan, do not use medicines or cosmetics of any kind and do not keep pets.

I applaud you.

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Monday, April 15, 2002 6:17 PM
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Get a grip Monkey... I'm married to a biologist and environmentalist. If you don't see how the study and understanding of animals helps our society and culture, you must live in a box. See Skipper's examples.

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Monday, April 15, 2002 6:25 PM

Monkey,

I assume, by your post, that you are vegetarian, vegan, do not use medicines or cosmetics of any kind and do not keep pets.

I applaud you.



first of all, eating meat is THE way of life, thousands of species of animals do this, but do thousands of animals take in other animals and confine them? 2nd, i use medicines, but i dont use the medicines that were tested on animals, and if i do use medicines that were tested on animals, i sure as hell dont know that they were, or else i wouldnt use them. and last, i DO NOT have any pets, so there.


Get a grip Monkey... I'm married to a biologist and environmentalist. If you don't see how the study and understanding of animals helps our society and culture, you must live in a box. See Skipper's examples.


hmmmm, want 50 cents to call someone who cares?

if society does it fine, i cant change that. and what do you mean confining animals and doing useless testing "helps our culture and society", i wanna know how. maybe i'll agree, maybe i'll dissagree, but i wanna know...

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Monday, April 15, 2002 6:28 PM

There is a reason why so many people, many of them very qualified with PHD's, are aginst keeping whales in captivity. There is also a reason why man is considered to be every animal's worst enemy. To say that these companies do so much for conservation is nothing. Big corporations contributing to a cause they are partly responsible for perpetuating is the oldest trick in the book. Oil companies do it, fast food chains do it, and just aout every big company out there does it. PR, PR, PR!!

Whales are very social creatures and cry at night when people aren't around (fact). We can't protect every animal from their own surroundings and that's not why they keep these animals in captivity. They keep them because they are smart enough to learn cool tricks and big enough to be a big attraction to the park guests. Wake up! They're making money first. That's the goal. There are scientists learning about these animals every day... in the wild. They're not hard to find and study. There is no need to keep them in tanks to learn about them.

BTW, meat feeds people, medicines cure people and as far as cosmetics go you can buy ones that don't test on amimals. Dogs and cats are domesticated animals. It's not like we have wolves as pets. What purpose do whales in captivity serve other than to entertain us.......NONE!

There is a reason why so many millions of people are against this "whale issue". Many are way more qualified and knowledgeable in this topic than all of us put together. I guess they are all misinformed also.

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Monday, April 15, 2002 6:45 PM

One of the main reasons animals are in captivitety is because they are an indagered species and on top of that the animals in captivity are born, rasied and die in captivity.

I volunteered at a zoo for a year and the animals are vary content and are feed propeley and they all have individual diets that must be fallowed to a T.

To sum it all up is that the animals have always been in captivity.(sever injuries due to human negligence/abuse in the wild may be the exception to be placed in captivity/reablitation programs.) This is all they know and are not depressed. They try to create an "artifical" enviroment that best sutes an animal. The whales get their proper nurishment and exercise. On top of all this there is trainers that work with the whales all the time and become attached to them as if they were a "pet."

Jeff is correct in the statments he made and Monkey you sound like a over exaggerating "Tree Hugging Hippie."

Dustin

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Monday, April 15, 2002 6:53 PM

One of the main reasons animals are in captivitety is because they are an indagered species and on top of that the animals in captivity are born, rasied and die in captivity.

I volunteered at a zoo for a year and the animals are vary content and are feed propeley and they all have individual diets that must be fallowed to a T.

To sum it all up is that the animals have always been in captivity.(sever injuries due to human negligence/abuse in the wild may be the exception to be placed in captivity/reablitation programs.) This is all they know and are not depressed. They try to create an "artifical" enviroment that best sutes an animal. The whales get their proper nurishment and exercise. On top of all this there is trainers that work with the whales all the time and become attached to them as if they were a "pet."

Jeff is correct in the statments he made and Monkey you sound like a over exaggerating "Tree Hugging Hippie."

Dustin



oh no you did NOT just call me a hippie...

anyways, notice how you said "artificial environment". notice anything wrong with those two words? and another thing, animals have not always been in captivity, i dont EVEN know what your talking about. animals have been in captivity for only a couple hundred years, only a certain few domesticated animals have been kept as "pets" for almost ever.

and if a animal is endangered and is gonna be wiped out, so be it, thats the way of life. and if the human race has to step in and confine them...that means we had something to do with it, and they should let them go and feel the guilt of them destroying an entire species of animals to make profit...

and "the thrill" made a good point, if your gonna study animals for interest or if you have a probable cause, study them in the wild, you'd get more accurate answers anyways... *** This post was edited by MonkeyMaster on 4/15/2002. ***

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Monday, April 15, 2002 7:11 PM
For those who think that keeping the whales in captivity is bad...would you rather see them slaughtered in the wild? Like what recently happened in Greenland? http://www.acsonline.org/issues/GreenlandOrcas.htm
NO whale is safe if it lives near Japan.

Or how about this..."LA Times March 23rd, 2002.
On March 22nd, three common dolphins washed up on the southern California coast, bringing the total number of stranded marine mammals to 22. This is the largest stranding since 1994.
For more information one whales in captivity check out this page from pbs.org
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/whales/

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